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		<title>By: agelessdebutante</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-20188</link>
		<dc:creator>agelessdebutante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YEP Paul............exactly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YEP Paul&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-20144</link>
		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I stand corrected about the quote I attributed to Martin Luther (preach the gospel at all times, if necessary use words).  I read it in one of his writings - must have been quoting Saint Francis.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I stand corrected about the quote I attributed to Martin Luther (preach the gospel at all times, if necessary use words).  I read it in one of his writings &#8211; must have been quoting Saint Francis.  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-20143</link>
		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to be interested in Jesus through the movie &quot;Jesus Christ, Super Star&quot; - talk about a faulty gospel - and yet the gospel was in there somewhere.  It wasn&#039;t too many years after watching that movie as a young teen that I accepted the Lord into my heart.  Unfortunately, legalistic churches got hold of me.  Didn&#039;t learn about grace till mid-life.  Sad, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to be interested in Jesus through the movie &#8220;Jesus Christ, Super Star&#8221; &#8211; talk about a faulty gospel &#8211; and yet the gospel was in there somewhere.  It wasn&#8217;t too many years after watching that movie as a young teen that I accepted the Lord into my heart.  Unfortunately, legalistic churches got hold of me.  Didn&#8217;t learn about grace till mid-life.  Sad, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-20136</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God used Charles Manson&#039;s right hand man &quot;Tex Watson&quot;, to reach my cold heart. After reading his bought &quot;Will you Die For Me? I was convinced that if God could forgive someone as evil as Watson then He could forgive me, and I thought I was too far gone.
I had a friend tell me that he was stoned out of his mind listening to a Pat Benatar album when she sang &quot;Treat Me Right&quot;, and he immediately fell to his knees and repented because he said he felt it was Jesus speaking to him through what she sang. Today, 30 years later, he is an elder in a community church.
I had someone ask me &quot;you and you&#039;re wife reach so many people for Christ, what is your formula?&quot;
I said &quot;Formula?, the Beatles had it right when they sang &quot;All You Need is Love&quot;, because if you don&#039;t love the lost and see them as God does, you will have no desire to see them worshiping along side you for eternity. (I just scanned back and saw that I plagiarized Canary)
I also do love the quote that was probably mentioned earlier in this dialog- &quot; Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.&quot; Francis of Assisi
If people see you come at them as some sort of quota they see right through it. That&#039;s probably why I don&#039;t like the Jack Chic track stuff, but I&#039;m sure someone somewhere got saved reading one. Like I always say  &quot;with a shotgun, even a blind hunter&#039;s gonna get a deer eventually&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God used Charles Manson&#8217;s right hand man &#8220;Tex Watson&#8221;, to reach my cold heart. After reading his bought &#8220;Will you Die For Me? I was convinced that if God could forgive someone as evil as Watson then He could forgive me, and I thought I was too far gone.<br />
I had a friend tell me that he was stoned out of his mind listening to a Pat Benatar album when she sang &#8220;Treat Me Right&#8221;, and he immediately fell to his knees and repented because he said he felt it was Jesus speaking to him through what she sang. Today, 30 years later, he is an elder in a community church.<br />
I had someone ask me &#8220;you and you&#8217;re wife reach so many people for Christ, what is your formula?&#8221;<br />
I said &#8220;Formula?, the Beatles had it right when they sang &#8220;All You Need is Love&#8221;, because if you don&#8217;t love the lost and see them as God does, you will have no desire to see them worshiping along side you for eternity. (I just scanned back and saw that I plagiarized Canary)<br />
I also do love the quote that was probably mentioned earlier in this dialog- &#8221; Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.&#8221; Francis of Assisi<br />
If people see you come at them as some sort of quota they see right through it. That&#8217;s probably why I don&#8217;t like the Jack Chic track stuff, but I&#8217;m sure someone somewhere got saved reading one. Like I always say  &#8220;with a shotgun, even a blind hunter&#8217;s gonna get a deer eventually&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19801</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one saved as a result of Campus Crusade&#039;s outreach.  So are countless thousands upon thousands of people.  Watch out.  God is MUCH bigger than us, and does what he will when his Word goes forth.

Sometimes we are jealous of the fruit of others.  Do you truly believe, ______, that  people have not come to faith in Jesus through the scriptures in tracts?  Your criticism and arrogance in poo-pooing (proper word, I think, means &quot;denigrating) the work of thousands of fellow sisters and brothers in Christ is breathtaking.

So...why is it an unbiblical approach to share the gospel?  Jesus told his disciples to pack up and go out two by two.   And back in the &#039;70&#039;s and &#039;80&#039;s, when I was on the beach in Daytona with the dorky movie and the slo-mo football, all of American were dorks.  It was the 1970&#039;s, after all.   Only Jim was not dorky.  And neither was his band.  Probably.

Why the heck is this such an issue?  And how do hookers or strippers compare to young believers who are trying to share the gospel?  Honestly, ______, I think your arguments are bizarre.   Fun, but bizarre. Using a tract as a way to share the gospel is akin to smoking or gambling...what the heck?

It seems like  you have great success in sharing the gospel, that you have seen much fruit and many people coming to faith in Christ, probably have a gift of evangelism.  Could you elaborate?  I&#039;m (really) unclear about the proper biblical way to share the gospel if it is not trusting in God to lead as he wills and using scripture to proclaim the glories of the Lord.

As others have said, let&#039;s just be.  Let others be.  Let the Holy Spirit do work.

What does this have to do with SGM???

Thanks for the chance to comment, 

Love from RT, a fellow ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one saved as a result of Campus Crusade&#8217;s outreach.  So are countless thousands upon thousands of people.  Watch out.  God is MUCH bigger than us, and does what he will when his Word goes forth.</p>
<p>Sometimes we are jealous of the fruit of others.  Do you truly believe, ______, that  people have not come to faith in Jesus through the scriptures in tracts?  Your criticism and arrogance in poo-pooing (proper word, I think, means &#8220;denigrating) the work of thousands of fellow sisters and brothers in Christ is breathtaking.</p>
<p>So&#8230;why is it an unbiblical approach to share the gospel?  Jesus told his disciples to pack up and go out two by two.   And back in the &#8217;70&#8242;s and &#8217;80&#8242;s, when I was on the beach in Daytona with the dorky movie and the slo-mo football, all of American were dorks.  It was the 1970&#8242;s, after all.   Only Jim was not dorky.  And neither was his band.  Probably.</p>
<p>Why the heck is this such an issue?  And how do hookers or strippers compare to young believers who are trying to share the gospel?  Honestly, ______, I think your arguments are bizarre.   Fun, but bizarre. Using a tract as a way to share the gospel is akin to smoking or gambling&#8230;what the heck?</p>
<p>It seems like  you have great success in sharing the gospel, that you have seen much fruit and many people coming to faith in Christ, probably have a gift of evangelism.  Could you elaborate?  I&#8217;m (really) unclear about the proper biblical way to share the gospel if it is not trusting in God to lead as he wills and using scripture to proclaim the glories of the Lord.</p>
<p>As others have said, let&#8217;s just be.  Let others be.  Let the Holy Spirit do work.</p>
<p>What does this have to do with SGM???</p>
<p>Thanks for the chance to comment, </p>
<p>Love from RT, a fellow ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19764</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to behave myself and not be snarky. I know Jim will appreciate that. I think we all agree that one size does not fit all. The point is that you said this:
 
(quote)I understand about opening  the door to the  Gospel presentation. &lt;strong&gt; But  does that mean we use an unBiblical approach?  I think most people are  fed up with Christians and their religious tracts. &lt;/strong&gt; When I lived in  Daytona Beach, the Campus Crusades for Christ literally bombarded the  beach with the “4 Spiritual Laws” tracts.  They had movies at night  about car crashes and dying before getting saved.  It was more about  fear of eternal punishment than the cross of Christ and becoming a child  of God.  Same thing goes for Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort. Definitely  not the way the apostle Paul talked about being saved.
 &lt;strong&gt;Why the need to add man made techniques to telling someone about Jesus  Christ? I never saw Jesus and the disciples going to the beach to hand  out tracts. &lt;/strong&gt;(end of quote)
 
I said in my previous post that handing out tracts is not my thing, but I am not going to say that it is wrong because that is not true. And that&#039;s all I have to say on the matter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to behave myself and not be snarky. I know Jim will appreciate that. I think we all agree that one size does not fit all. The point is that you said this:<br />
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(quote)I understand about opening  the door to the  Gospel presentation. <strong> But  does that mean we use an unBiblical approach?  I think most people are  fed up with Christians and their religious tracts. </strong> When I lived in  Daytona Beach, the Campus Crusades for Christ literally bombarded the  beach with the “4 Spiritual Laws” tracts.  They had movies at night  about car crashes and dying before getting saved.  It was more about  fear of eternal punishment than the cross of Christ and becoming a child  of God.  Same thing goes for Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort. Definitely  not the way the apostle Paul talked about being saved.<br />
 <strong>Why the need to add man made techniques to telling someone about Jesus  Christ? I never saw Jesus and the disciples going to the beach to hand  out tracts. </strong>(end of quote)<br />
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I said in my previous post that handing out tracts is not my thing, but I am not going to say that it is wrong because that is not true. And that&#8217;s all I have to say on the matter.<br />
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19778</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(quote)Just wanting not to stray from the Biblical pattern of “how” to do  things. There is nothing morally wrong with handing out tracks or  starting a Christian rock band, or the 2 question test. I am just  concerned with adding to the Scriptures. No condemnation intended.
Please forgive me for being an ass (as Jim so rightly and politely put it).(end quote)
 .

The Bible doesn&#039;t tell us exactly how to do everything, where we get in trouble is when we insist that something has to be done a certain way in order to be &quot;biblical&quot;. As Canary said, whatever is said or done in the name of Jesus must be said or done in His love.
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So, in that regard...I forgive you for being a stubborn mule.
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Just don&#039;t do it again...
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(quote)Just wanting not to stray from the Biblical pattern of “how” to do  things. There is nothing morally wrong with handing out tracks or  starting a Christian rock band, or the 2 question test. I am just  concerned with adding to the Scriptures. No condemnation intended.<br />
Please forgive me for being an ass (as Jim so rightly and politely put it).(end quote)<br />
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<p>The Bible doesn&#8217;t tell us exactly how to do everything, where we get in trouble is when we insist that something has to be done a certain way in order to be &#8220;biblical&#8221;. As Canary said, whatever is said or done in the name of Jesus must be said or done in His love.<br />
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So, in that regard&#8230;I forgive you for being a stubborn mule.<br />
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Just don&#8217;t do it again&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19775</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Canary!</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19769</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ellie  :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellie  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19768</link>
		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we can all agree that whatever is said or done in the name of Jesus must be said or done in His love.  Without that love, there is no power. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we can all agree that whatever is said or done in the name of Jesus must be said or done in His love.  Without that love, there is no power. </p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19766</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
...and *I* was trying not to be snarky....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
&#8230;and *I* was trying not to be snarky&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19756</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tract is a condensed version of the Gospel. A few verses printed out on a piece of paper, sometimes with a testimony also printed on it. Some people that will never pick up a Bible and look at it will hold onto that little piece of paper that someone gave them or that they found. And the Holy Spirit will use those few verses to bring people into the Kingdom - indeed, His word will not return unto Him void. There is nothing unbiblical about bible verses and someone&#039;s testimony printed out on a folded up 1/2 of 8 1/2&quot; x 11&quot; piece of paper. I&#039;m sure if paper was readily available back in the NT, tracts in some form would&#039;ve been used, since there were letters to the various churches...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tract is a condensed version of the Gospel. A few verses printed out on a piece of paper, sometimes with a testimony also printed on it. Some people that will never pick up a Bible and look at it will hold onto that little piece of paper that someone gave them or that they found. And the Holy Spirit will use those few verses to bring people into the Kingdom &#8211; indeed, His word will not return unto Him void. There is nothing unbiblical about bible verses and someone&#8217;s testimony printed out on a folded up 1/2 of 8 1/2&#8243; x 11&#8243; piece of paper. I&#8217;m sure if paper was readily available back in the NT, tracts in some form would&#8217;ve been used, since there were letters to the various churches&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19755</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Method/schmethod.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the Gospel is preached, some will be saved. I&#039;m grateful for some methods that I find laughable, because God uses all types of &quot;methods&quot; to draw people to Himself. &quot;All means&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, I was in a blatantly Christian hair metal band in the 80&#039;s, so what do I know...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;... except that we saw God save a lot of people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;1 Cor 9&lt;span id=&quot;v46009020-1&quot; class=&quot;verse-num&quot;&gt;:20 &lt;/span&gt;To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. &lt;span id=&quot;v46009021-1&quot; class=&quot;verse-num&quot;&gt;21 &lt;/span&gt;To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. &lt;span id=&quot;v46009022-1&quot; class=&quot;verse-num&quot;&gt;22 &lt;/span&gt;To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Method/schmethod.</p>
<p>If the Gospel is preached, some will be saved. I&#8217;m grateful for some methods that I find laughable, because God uses all types of &#8220;methods&#8221; to draw people to Himself. &#8220;All means&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, I was in a blatantly Christian hair metal band in the 80&#8242;s, so what do I know&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; except that we saw God save a lot of people.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=1+Cor+9" class="bibleref" title="NASB 1Cor 9">1 Cor 9</a><span id="v46009020-1" class="verse-num">:20 </span>To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. <span id="v46009021-1" class="verse-num">21 </span>To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law. <span id="v46009022-1" class="verse-num">22 </span>To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19748</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 2 question test is NOT an unbiblical approach.
Handing out tracts is not something I am personally comfortable with (cold contact), but one of those 4 spiritual laws booklets that you don&#039;t think too much of was used by the Holy Spirit to help point my husband to the Lord the day he became a Christian.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2 question test is NOT an unbiblical approach.<br />
Handing out tracts is not something I am personally comfortable with (cold contact), but one of those 4 spiritual laws booklets that you don&#8217;t think too much of was used by the Holy Spirit to help point my husband to the Lord the day he became a Christian.<br />
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19744</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;do you remember the stripper for Jesus? After they came in and watched  her striptease act, she then told them about Jesus!!!  Does that change  your mind about the “whatever works” mentality?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
I have no idea what you are talking abut with that statement, except that I did a research paper on CULTS in high school, and a CULT did something like that. The Girls were called &quot;Hookers for Jesus.&quot; That&#039;s NOT the Gospel. That&#039;s not Christ.
When I said &quot;&lt;em&gt;No mater how it is done, if Christ is proclaimed, PRAISE GOD!&lt;/em&gt;&quot; I was talking about the actual Scriptural Gospel, not CULT behavior. NOT even CJ&#039;s gospel.
The 4 spiritual laws, as I recall, (It has been over 30 years since I have read them) is scriptural. If someone is saved by reading that tract, PRAISE GOD!
Let me tell you a story:
A friend of mine was saved back in the 70&#039;s. This new believer was convinced that the Holy Spirit wanted him to record an 8 track tape to loop a simple message, something like &quot;Repent, and believe in Jesus to be saved!&quot;
He was to mount big loud speakers on the top of his van, playing that tape, and drive from Lansing Michigan to Mackinaw island and back on a given Memorial Day weekend when that freeway would be bumper to bumper with vacation traffic.
He thought that he would be praying with people to receive Christ all weekend on the side of the road. It didn&#039;t happen.
20 years later, he is a pastor of a small church and he hears how one of the people in his congregation was going up to northern Michigan one Memorial day weekend (20 years ago) and heard that message, was convicted of his sin, pulled over, prayed all by himself for God to forgive him, and has been living for Christ ever since.
They were united that day, (20 years later) and believe that perhaps that one convert was the whole point, and God rewarded that pastor 20 years later for his obedience.
 
&lt;em&gt;No mater how it is done, if Christ is proclaimed, PRAISE GOD!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;do you remember the stripper for Jesus? After they came in and watched  her striptease act, she then told them about Jesus!!!  Does that change  your mind about the “whatever works” mentality?&#8221;</em><br />
I have no idea what you are talking abut with that statement, except that I did a research paper on CULTS in high school, and a CULT did something like that. The Girls were called &#8220;Hookers for Jesus.&#8221; That&#8217;s NOT the Gospel. That&#8217;s not Christ.<br />
When I said &#8220;<em>No mater how it is done, if Christ is proclaimed, PRAISE GOD!</em>&#8221; I was talking about the actual Scriptural Gospel, not CULT behavior. NOT even CJ&#8217;s gospel.<br />
The 4 spiritual laws, as I recall, (It has been over 30 years since I have read them) is scriptural. If someone is saved by reading that tract, PRAISE GOD!<br />
Let me tell you a story:<br />
A friend of mine was saved back in the 70&#8242;s. This new believer was convinced that the Holy Spirit wanted him to record an 8 track tape to loop a simple message, something like &#8220;Repent, and believe in Jesus to be saved!&#8221;<br />
He was to mount big loud speakers on the top of his van, playing that tape, and drive from Lansing Michigan to Mackinaw island and back on a given Memorial Day weekend when that freeway would be bumper to bumper with vacation traffic.<br />
He thought that he would be praying with people to receive Christ all weekend on the side of the road. It didn&#8217;t happen.<br />
20 years later, he is a pastor of a small church and he hears how one of the people in his congregation was going up to northern Michigan one Memorial day weekend (20 years ago) and heard that message, was convicted of his sin, pulled over, prayed all by himself for God to forgive him, and has been living for Christ ever since.<br />
They were united that day, (20 years later) and believe that perhaps that one convert was the whole point, and God rewarded that pastor 20 years later for his obedience.<br />
 <br />
<em>No mater how it is done, if Christ is proclaimed, PRAISE GOD!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19743</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that using scare tactics to present the Gospel is annoying and not profitable, and certainly not scriptural.
The Evangelism Explosion &quot;method&quot;  may not be your cup of tea, but it does present the scriptural Gospel in an organized manner.
Trust me, Evangelism Explosion is not tracts. No tracts are EVER used.
It is memorization of scripture, in context, to be shared one on one.
Immediately following the two questions is the scriptural Gospel presentation starting with Grace, using Romans 6:23.
Man is a sinner: Mt 5:48
Rom 3:23
Eph 2:8-9
John 1:1,14
I could go on and on, with the entire outline I memorized as a teen many years ago.
To memorize a program like this as a young man is a very good thing to do. It ingrains Scripture into one&#039;s heart, and gives tools to share the Gospel with friends or strangers in a moments notice, to give a reason for the hope that lies withing us.
There are a lot of Brothers &amp; Sisters in Christ, &lt;em&gt;right now&lt;/em&gt;, who first heard the Gospel from someone following this outline of the Gospel. Isn&#039;t God amazing? (The foolishness of an outline to make Disciples of Christ. Whodathunkit?)
I am not promoting this method, so much as saying it is a valid, proven method for people who are not so out-going. Once scripture is in you, just speak the truth that lies within you, and Voila! You are preaching the Gospel. (Probably with far more power than CJ has ever preached.)
Again, after I finished the class, I NEVER followed that outline again, I just learned, and knew the Gospel, and shared it from my heart.
That&#039;s the Christian life.
(Not killing sin till your dead. I&#039;m poking fun at SGM here, not you _.)
I hope this helps explain what I have tried to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that using scare tactics to present the Gospel is annoying and not profitable, and certainly not scriptural.<br />
The Evangelism Explosion &#8220;method&#8221;  may not be your cup of tea, but it does present the scriptural Gospel in an organized manner.<br />
Trust me, Evangelism Explosion is not tracts. No tracts are EVER used.<br />
It is memorization of scripture, in context, to be shared one on one.<br />
Immediately following the two questions is the scriptural Gospel presentation starting with Grace, using <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=Romans+6%3A23" class="bibleref" title="NASB Romans 6:23">Romans 6:23</a>.<br />
Man is a sinner: Mt 5:48<br />
<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=Rom+3%3A23" class="bibleref" title="NASB Rom 3:23">Rom 3:23</a><br />
<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=Eph+2%3A8-9" class="bibleref" title="NASB Eph 2:8-9">Eph 2:8-9</a><br />
<a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=John+1%3A1%2C14" class="bibleref" title="NASB John 1:1,14">John 1:1,14</a><br />
I could go on and on, with the entire outline I memorized as a teen many years ago.<br />
To memorize a program like this as a young man is a very good thing to do. It ingrains Scripture into one&#8217;s heart, and gives tools to share the Gospel with friends or strangers in a moments notice, to give a reason for the hope that lies withing us.<br />
There are a lot of Brothers &amp; Sisters in Christ, <em>right now</em>, who first heard the Gospel from someone following this outline of the Gospel. Isn&#8217;t God amazing? (The foolishness of an outline to make Disciples of Christ. Whodathunkit?)<br />
I am not promoting this method, so much as saying it is a valid, proven method for people who are not so out-going. Once scripture is in you, just speak the truth that lies within you, and Voila! You are preaching the Gospel. (Probably with far more power than CJ has ever preached.)<br />
Again, after I finished the class, I NEVER followed that outline again, I just learned, and knew the Gospel, and shared it from my heart.<br />
That&#8217;s the Christian life.<br />
(Not killing sin till your dead. I&#8217;m poking fun at SGM here, not you _.)<br />
I hope this helps explain what I have tried to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Irv</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19742</link>
		<dc:creator>Irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow RT -  I certainly didn&#039;t mean to communicate that I was shooting anyone down for preaching the gospel. That is the antithesis of what I live and believe. I was just following the spirit of the thrad. 

I am very grateful to those who preach the gospel and personally I will use whatever works depending on my situation and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Jesus met people at their point of need not at His point of need - I personally like His example as have done accordingly. 

In a very poor way, I was trying to communicate my concern about the way we as Christians represent Christ to the world that ultimately hinders the gospel of Christ.

I was attempting to say that Christ&#039;s example of coming to serve mankind and loving even his enemies (of which we all were) are powerful in our expression to the world. When we serve those in the world (our neighbors, it gives a greater weight to our message. 

I do believe that the church&#039;s demonstration of our life with Christ has hindered the work of those who are on the front lines day in and day out.

 Anyway -- I appreciate your challenge to my comments - hopefully this brings some clarity of what is in my heart on not just my words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow RT -  I certainly didn&#8217;t mean to communicate that I was shooting anyone down for preaching the gospel. That is the antithesis of what I live and believe. I was just following the spirit of the thrad. </p>
<p>I am very grateful to those who preach the gospel and personally I will use whatever works depending on my situation and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Jesus met people at their point of need not at His point of need &#8211; I personally like His example as have done accordingly. </p>
<p>In a very poor way, I was trying to communicate my concern about the way we as Christians represent Christ to the world that ultimately hinders the gospel of Christ.</p>
<p>I was attempting to say that Christ&#8217;s example of coming to serve mankind and loving even his enemies (of which we all were) are powerful in our expression to the world. When we serve those in the world (our neighbors, it gives a greater weight to our message. </p>
<p>I do believe that the church&#8217;s demonstration of our life with Christ has hindered the work of those who are on the front lines day in and day out.</p>
<p> Anyway &#8212; I appreciate your challenge to my comments &#8211; hopefully this brings some clarity of what is in my heart on not just my words.</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19737</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 01:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>______ Brother,
The two question test is used as an ice breaker to open up a conversation with a total stranger. It has nothing to do with the Gospel. (I agree, the premise of the questions is not biblical, but you ask the questions to people who may know nothing of biblical things.)
It just gets a conversation going in the direction that can be turned to the Gospel.
It is for people who need a comfortable approach.
Truth be told, people I know who used that approach, no longer follow the &quot;script&quot; because they are comfortable sharing their faith in a natural way.
I&#039;m not going to knock the Evangelism Explosion Program merely because it is canned, nor because I do not use it myself. BUT, People have been led to Christ by Christians who were otherwise not quite comfortable doing so in a casual way.
 
No mater how it is done, if Christ is proclaimed, PRAISE GOD!
 
I think the original point here might have been that SGM had a canned program, that proclaimed ..... something.....not the true Gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>______ Brother,<br />
The two question test is used as an ice breaker to open up a conversation with a total stranger. It has nothing to do with the Gospel. (I agree, the premise of the questions is not biblical, but you ask the questions to people who may know nothing of biblical things.)<br />
It just gets a conversation going in the direction that can be turned to the Gospel.<br />
It is for people who need a comfortable approach.<br />
Truth be told, people I know who used that approach, no longer follow the &#8220;script&#8221; because they are comfortable sharing their faith in a natural way.<br />
I&#8217;m not going to knock the Evangelism Explosion Program merely because it is canned, nor because I do not use it myself. BUT, People have been led to Christ by Christians who were otherwise not quite comfortable doing so in a casual way.<br />
 <br />
No mater how it is done, if Christ is proclaimed, PRAISE GOD!<br />
 <br />
I think the original point here might have been that SGM had a canned program, that proclaimed &#8230;.. something&#8230;..not the true Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19735</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known people who have come to Christ through Evangelism Explosion.

We are treading on very thin ground here.  As a sister in Christ, I urge you to focus on heresy and abuse in the church, not on people who pour their lives out to share the gospel.

Remember that Jesus always asked questions, &quot;Who do you say that I am?&quot;

If this approach doesn&#039;t work for  you, don&#039;t use it. But let&#039;s not shoot each other over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve known people who have come to Christ through Evangelism Explosion.</p>
<p>We are treading on very thin ground here.  As a sister in Christ, I urge you to focus on heresy and abuse in the church, not on people who pour their lives out to share the gospel.</p>
<p>Remember that Jesus always asked questions, &#8220;Who do you say that I am?&#8221;</p>
<p>If this approach doesn&#8217;t work for  you, don&#8217;t use it. But let&#8217;s not shoot each other over it.</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/07/01/for-whats-his-name/#comment-19733</link>
		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know...however, whenever, with whomever, using whatever...let&#039;s just all encourage each other to be ready in and out of season to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Some people have great success being taught how to get to the point, some people have a better ability to weave the gospel into conversations.

You may not be into canned presentations, you may be into them.  Either way we are commanded to hare the gospel, and I am guilty of not always doing so.  I am sad about this.

Let&#039;s rejoice anytime the Word goes forth, because it never comes back void.

Anything done with purity and passion can be effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230;however, whenever, with whomever, using whatever&#8230;let&#8217;s just all encourage each other to be ready in and out of season to give a defense for the hope that is within us.</p>
<p>Some people have great success being taught how to get to the point, some people have a better ability to weave the gospel into conversations.</p>
<p>You may not be into canned presentations, you may be into them.  Either way we are commanded to hare the gospel, and I am guilty of not always doing so.  I am sad about this.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s rejoice anytime the Word goes forth, because it never comes back void.</p>
<p>Anything done with purity and passion can be effective.</p>
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