Comments on: Soooo Metro pt. 2 http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/ a safe haven Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:49:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ian http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-30539 Ian Wed, 13 Apr 2011 20:20:34 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-30539 For anyone who is still curious, DJ is still senior pastor of Metro, BP did not usurp him, MN is restored and still serving on staff, JN came back to Metro, with all of the strone-throwers, just as soon as he could find a good job in the Orlando area (which, incidentally, was offered to him by BP's son-in-law) and has now been back and attending for 3 months, and JJ is no longer under church discipline and remains an active member.  Thanks to everyone who was praying! For anyone who is still curious, DJ is still senior pastor of Metro, BP did not usurp him, MN is restored and still serving on staff, JN came back to Metro, with all of the strone-throwers, just as soon as he could find a good job in the Orlando area (which, incidentally, was offered to him by BP’s son-in-law) and has now been back and attending for 3 months, and JJ is no longer under church discipline and remains an active member.  Thanks to everyone who was praying!

]]> By: Irv http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-19057 Irv Sun, 27 Jun 2010 02:59:13 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-19057 RT - You are very welcome - I was glad to do it - if you are interested I would be more than happy to share with you from my perspective what I shared with him should you have additional conversations with him. I think you have my email if you do. Blessings!! Irv RT – You are very welcome – I was glad to do it - if you are interested I would be more than happy to share with you from my perspective what I shared with him should you have additional conversations with him. I think you have my email if you do.
Blessings!! Irv

]]> By: RT http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-19053 RT Sun, 27 Jun 2010 00:03:14 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-19053 Irv--didn't know he contacted you...thanks so much, my brother. Irv–didn’t know he contacted you…thanks so much, my brother.

]]> By: Irv http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-19052 Irv Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:52:24 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-19052 RT - Your post of <a href="#comment-18452" rel="nofollow">June 11th, 2010 at 11:12 am</a>  -- I did have some exchanges with the young man. I pray the Holy Spirit lead him as he is a son of God. Hope I was helpful to him! Irv RT -

Your post of June 11th, 2010 at 11:12 am  —

I did have some exchanges with the young man. I pray the Holy Spirit lead him as he is a son of God.

Hope I was helpful to him!

Irv

]]> By: Gracie http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18895 Gracie Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:51:00 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18895 Thanks, ladies!  There are things that our family missed out on because of the enmity caused by SGM, things we can never get back in quite the same way, BUT the Lord will redeem!  He will take that which brought harm and pain and turn it for good for us and His Kingdom.  If I didn't believe that, I would forever be angry and bitter toward SGM.  They were WRONG, but God is bigger.  Thanks, ladies!  There are things that our family missed out on because of the enmity caused by SGM, things we can never get back in quite the same way, BUT the Lord will redeem!  He will take that which brought harm and pain and turn it for good for us and His Kingdom.  If I didn’t believe that, I would forever be angry and bitter toward SGM.  They were WRONG, but God is bigger. 

]]> By: DB http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18889 DB Sun, 20 Jun 2010 18:10:03 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18889 Gracie, I believe you will be able to breath the sweet air of freedom not worrying about the rest of your family. I'm happy for you but the family members may well need some of  your love and attention because they are likely suffering. Gracie, I believe you will be able to breath the sweet air of freedom not worrying about the rest of your family. I’m happy for you but the family members may well need some of  your love and attention because they are likely suffering.

]]> By: Stunned http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18886 Stunned Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:43:07 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18886 Gracie, just pumping this to the top of the last thing written so you can see that Carole was celebrating wtih you.  I'm still happy for you, too!  Hopefully you all will enjoy your freedom in Christ more and more as time goes on. Stunned Gracie, just pumping this to the top of the last thing written so you can see that Carole was celebrating wtih you.  I’m still happy for you, too!  Hopefully you all will enjoy your freedom in Christ more and more as time goes on.

Stunned

]]> By: Carole http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18831 Carole Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:05:07 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18831 Gracie! !!! :-) Just now catching up on my reading here... You said, <strong>"I have an announcement. As of today, the last of my family members have departed from SGM! We all are free to go forward, grow and mature in Jesus, and hear him for ourselves. I am very grateful."</strong> WOO HOO and W00T!!! I know you have been praying for your family members for a very long time!... I am rejoicing with you and them! Did I say W00T?!!! :-) Gracie! !!! :-)

Just now catching up on my reading here… You said, “I have an announcement. As of today, the last of my family members have departed from SGM! We all are free to go forward, grow and mature in Jesus, and hear him for ourselves. I am very grateful.”

WOO HOO and W00T!!! I know you have been praying for your family members for a very long time!… I am rejoicing with you and them!

Did I say W00T?!!! :-)

]]> By: agelessdebutante http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18736 agelessdebutante Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:06:36 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18736 I found this reading telling. "Pontius Pilate showed up for class and was not prepared for a very important surprise test. Though a powerful man in a position of great authority, Pilate has the same fears that all humans have; fear for his job, fear for his life, fear of shame and humiliation, and his test is going to force him to choose between his allegiance to his fears, or his allegiance to the truth. " Bible History Online and written by Rusty Russell I found this reading telling.

“Pontius Pilate showed up for class and was not prepared for a very important surprise test. Though a powerful man in a position of great authority, Pilate has the same fears that all humans have; fear for his job, fear for his life, fear of shame and humiliation, and his test is going to force him to choose between his allegiance to his fears, or his allegiance to the truth. ”

Bible History Online and written by Rusty Russell

]]> By: Nauseated http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18710 Nauseated Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:08:58 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18710 Steve 240 June 15 7:36 AM said "<strong>With this local church having already lost one pastor one would think they wouldn’t want to loose another pastor.  Thus something significant must be driving it.  As others have said, it could be that this pastor was too questioning and not toeing the line."</strong> <strong>Either Steve 240 goes to Metro, or has a friend at Metro, because that is only something that we are privy to. (Those of us that are still sitting back watching how this will all unfold) </strong> <strong>Todd and Mike offered to sit in meetings that many of us had with Danny and Benny because many of us  felt that DJ and BP were not listening to our grievances. That, in SGM talk, is not seen as being "loyal" so it was just a matter of time before Mike got his hand slapped. </strong> <strong>Like in Animal Farm, "Two Faced Pastor Good, One Faced Pastor Bad" </strong> Steve 240 June 15 7:36 AM said “With this local church having already lost one pastor one would think they wouldn’t want to loose another pastor.  Thus something significant must be driving it.  As others have said, it could be that this pastor was too questioning and not toeing the line.”
Either Steve 240 goes to Metro, or has a friend at Metro, because that is only something that we are privy to. (Those of us that are still sitting back watching how this will all unfold)

Todd and Mike offered to sit in meetings that many of us had with Danny and Benny because many of us  felt that DJ and BP were not listening to our grievances. That, in SGM talk, is not seen as being “loyal” so it was just a matter of time before Mike got his hand slapped.

Like in Animal Farm, “Two Faced Pastor Good, One Faced Pastor Bad”

]]> By: agelessdebutante http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18679 agelessdebutante Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:45:18 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18679 I will never say " YesMaster" again  LOL :-) I will never say ” YesMaster” again  LOL :-)

]]> By: Jim http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18671 Jim Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:05:24 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18671 Lets lose the blog master language. I own it, but I'm not interested in "mastering" anything, except myself, and my dog. My dog has other ideas... Josh-I think the primary reason our doors are still open is to show SGM the fruit of their polity. The fruit of their beliefs regarding pastoral authority. We've seen time and time again that <em>these </em>"masters" can't handle it. I'm not sure it's accurate to say that we exist to tear down rules, although I do see the oral tradition with sgm leading to legalism. I really don't hit the oral tradition too hard. I happen to agree with a lot of it, but it's a "for me and my house" thing, not to be imposed on others. Deb-I never had any more authority than a care group leader. I did some counseling, but also did administrative and clerical stuff. I got a lot of "Jim's a secretary" jokes. That was a problem when I worked for my ex scg-no one knew what I did. My role wasn't defined as director of biblical counseling, the guy overseeing vital life classes, and cgl "cluster leader" until about a week before I quit. I was not on track for a pastoral position. Didn't want it, didn't have what sgm was looking for, and all involved understood and were fine with it. Lets lose the blog master language. I own it, but I’m not interested in “mastering” anything, except myself, and my dog. My dog has other ideas…
Josh-I think the primary reason our doors are still open is to show SGM the fruit of their polity. The fruit of their beliefs regarding pastoral authority. We’ve seen time and time again that these “masters” can’t handle it. I’m not sure it’s accurate to say that we exist to tear down rules, although I do see the oral tradition with sgm leading to legalism. I really don’t hit the oral tradition too hard. I happen to agree with a lot of it, but it’s a “for me and my house” thing, not to be imposed on others.
Deb-I never had any more authority than a care group leader. I did some counseling, but also did administrative and clerical stuff. I got a lot of “Jim’s a secretary” jokes. That was a problem when I worked for my ex scg-no one knew what I did. My role wasn’t defined as director of biblical counseling, the guy overseeing vital life classes, and cgl “cluster leader” until about a week before I quit. I was not on track for a pastoral position. Didn’t want it, didn’t have what sgm was looking for, and all involved understood and were fine with it.

]]> By: Steve240 http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18670 Steve240 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:36:37 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18670 agelessdebutante said:   "<strong>That is the 24 Million Dollar question. Family MLC meeting is next Wed night 24th. I am sure that will be the question asked by many. It is certainly being asked in private circles at MLC. I am also sure for the sake of unity MN will eat huge crow. Maybe 2. No one wants to see any more pain in the church, but it seems the more they tackle in this realm, the worse it gets."</strong> <strong> </strong> <strong>I wonder if when the leadership made this decision did they not think about the possibility of questions being raised or even then that people might ask this question?  Did they really think no one would ask this question?  Maybe they assumed that their sheep were so docile that this question wouldn't be raised or they could suppress the few that questioned this apparent double standard? </strong> <strong> </strong> <strong>Of course before the blogs, it was a lot easier for the leaders of various SGM Churches to do questionable acts without regular members questioning their actions.   There has also been a culture in SGM where questioning of leadership actions, including these, was wrong and classified as "gossip" or "slander."  It is good that actions like this now don't always go unquestioned. </strong> <strong> </strong> <strong>Maybe DJ didn't even see the connection between his son's actions and this other pastors son's actions?</strong> <strong> </strong> <strong>With this local church having already lost one pastor one would think they wouldn't want to loose another pastor.  Thus something significant must be driving it.  As others have said, it could be that this pastor was too questioning and not toeing the line.  It will be interesting to see if they really just have him step down for the (6 months?) time period stated or if they drag that time out or never have this pastor reinstated. </strong> <strong> </strong> <strong> </strong> agelessdebutante said:
 
“That is the 24 Million Dollar question. Family MLC meeting is next Wed night 24th. I am sure that will be the question asked by many. It is certainly being asked in private circles at MLC. I am also sure for the sake of unity MN will eat huge crow. Maybe 2. No one wants to see any more pain in the church, but it seems the more they tackle in this realm, the worse it gets.”


I wonder if when the leadership made this decision did they not think about the possibility of questions being raised or even then that people might ask this question?  Did they really think no one would ask this question?  Maybe they assumed that their sheep were so docile that this question wouldn’t be raised or they could suppress the few that questioned this apparent double standard?


Of course before the blogs, it was a lot easier for the leaders of various SGM Churches to do questionable acts without regular members questioning their actions.   There has also been a culture in SGM where questioning of leadership actions, including these, was wrong and classified as “gossip” or “slander.”  It is good that actions like this now don’t always go unquestioned.


Maybe DJ didn’t even see the connection between his son’s actions and this other pastors son’s actions?


With this local church having already lost one pastor one would think they wouldn’t want to loose another pastor.  Thus something significant must be driving it.  As others have said, it could be that this pastor was too questioning and not toeing the line.  It will be interesting to see if they really just have him step down for the (6 months?) time period stated or if they drag that time out or never have this pastor reinstated.



]]> By: DB http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18667 DB Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:22:55 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18667 Stunned, why is it that if you're soft in the head, it isn't so swift but if you're hard in the head or thick in the head, that does not bode well, either? Hmmmmm. Soft in the heart is always good. Fortunately, my biceps are hard as are my abs um, er, which are hidden under a thick layer of fat :-) Stunned, why is it that if you’re soft in the head, it isn’t so swift but if you’re hard in the head or thick in the head, that does not bode well, either?

Hmmmmm.

Soft in the heart is always good.

Fortunately, my biceps are hard as are my abs um, er, which are hidden under a thick layer of fat :-)

]]> By: Stunned http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18663 Stunned Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:02:57 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18663 I only want to be soft in the heart.  (Unfortunately I'm soft in the head, biceps and belly.) I only want to be soft in the heart.  (Unfortunately I’m soft in the head, biceps and belly.)

]]> By: agelessdebutante http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18660 agelessdebutante Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:50:54 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18660 <strong><cite>Nauseated</cite> </strong><a href="#comment-18652" rel="nofollow">June 14th, 2010 at 9:52 pm</a> "Let me get this straight. SGM <strong>willing admits that 22 year old men are old enough to attend Pastors College and return to a church to begin the process, as Interns, of  becoming Pastors, responsible for watching over a church </strong>and in some circles  standing in the very stead of God. BUT <strong>SGM also finds that if a different 22 year old is unruly he is considered a child and his father, the Pastor, is “degifted” </strong>Someone help me with this Twilight  Zone episode, I think I missed it." <strong>NAUSEATED That is the 24 Million Dollar question. Family MLC meeting is next Wed night 24th. I am sure that will be the question asked by many. It is certainly being asked in private circles at MLC. I am also sure for the sake of unity MN will eat huge crow. Maybe 2. No one wants to see any more pain in the church, but it seems the more they tackle in this realm, the worse it gets. </strong> Nauseated
June 14th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
“Let me get this straight. SGM willing admits that 22 year old men are old enough to attend Pastors College and return to a church to begin the process, as Interns, of  becoming Pastors, responsible for watching over a church and in some circles  standing in the very stead of God.
BUT
SGM also finds that if a different 22 year old is unruly he is considered a child and his father, the Pastor, is “degifted”
Someone help me with this Twilight  Zone episode, I think I missed it.”

NAUSEATED
That is the 24 Million Dollar question. Family MLC meeting is next Wed night 24th. I am sure that will be the question asked by many. It is certainly being asked in private circles at MLC. I am also sure for the sake of unity MN will eat huge crow. Maybe 2. No one wants to see any more pain in the church, but it seems the more they tackle in this realm, the worse it gets.

]]> By: agelessdebutante http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18656 agelessdebutante Tue, 15 Jun 2010 03:23:59 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18656 STRETCHHHHHHHHHHHHH  ok ..I ate and now I can think. <strong>JOSH.. this is in response to:</strong> " Dubuntante, by asking that <strong>Ian not post here because his pastor asked him not to, aren’t you asking him to abide by rules that this blog exists to tear down</strong>? By asking that, I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with you, it’s simply a question" Josh, The blog does not exist to <strong>" tear down rules"</strong>- your wording. It started with a man who experienced spiritual  abuse, and was in a position of authority.  I am sure you know that. The blog exists because of the blatant spiritual abuse, manipulation, and down right lies that have happened to those here because of their SGM/MLC experience.  Josh, I planned on living my entire life and my memorial service being in that building. I already asked the church secretary to help me plan my funeral at one point because of my failing health. Emotionally, I just can not go there right now. I am not going to judge anyone else's issues. Mine is enough for me. Back to topic: This is a point I am strongly serious about. First off it is not my blog. Jim is the blog master. Personally I am an open dialogue person. If you have a opinion, bring it. I love good healthy debate. It sharpens the mind, challenges the soul, and reveals the heart. It has also has helped to heal wounds, release bitterness, and turn eyes off worshipping man and on to worshipping our Saviour. That is far from what I am talking about here however. Ian and JP are not accountable to the blog, it's people or is blog master Jim. They are, as I stated above, accountable to the leadership team they serve under. It is a blatant act of rebellion to defy that unction. It is disrespectful. It speaks volumes to those that read this blog from Metro on a daily basis, < I know many that do> KNOW what Danny J said, and these guys blew it off. <strong>Knowing that the leadership at Metro also read the blogs, it has to make me wonder why this is ok for a PK who still lives under mom and dad's roof. Yes they do read them. </strong> <strong>Josh, This is Danny's gag order not mine. </strong> If Metro is going to deal with sin, by all means let's be sure leadership and <strong>all their offspring </strong>are called into account. By telling the church NO, laying down the terms, and then two twenty somethings come here to bang it  is bad form. As far as I am concerned? It would be a non issue if Danny J had not said NOT TO and why quote from that same meeting in reference to FB, Tweeting and Blogging: <em><strong>"The Scripture gives us clear direction in Galatians 6:1 – Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.”   </strong></em><strong> </strong> <strong>AGAIN  Josh, This is Danny's gag order not mine.</strong> It is this example - Ian and JP- as representatives of Metro that speaks volumes. It screams to everyone here that it is OK for members that were asked not to do something <strong>ESPECIALLY JP, a pastors son</strong>, to comment here. <strong> ISN'T THIS WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT A PASTOR'S SON AND THE INABILITY OF A PASTOR TO RAISE, CONTROL, AND PROMOTE OBEDIENCE AND GODLY LIVING IN HIS CHILDREN?  Where is BP when JP is ignoring that pastor's request, or does JP not have to obey Danny? IAN.. what about you? </strong> <strong>AGAIN  and AGAIN  Josh, This is Danny's gag order not mine.</strong> The Blog name itself with the beginning thread was developed based on the MN issue so common sense would denote this thread should be off limits to anyone who is an, active, committed member of Metro from posting here. You fence people? That's between you, Danny, and God. You determine the order of hierarchy and who you serve.  JP can come here and try and use semantics to validate his presence because of Ian. Ian is 22. He could have served in Iraq by now, had he chosen. He is a man, has his dad's professional gifting, and is a great  young man and more than capable of handling himself. <strong>Ian is a welcome guest, when His pastoral staff releases him and his church to post. To Quote the artist SEAL- "Bring it on!" -------------- But not until Danny  gives you permission or rescinds the gag order. JOSH.. I have to ask you a question. When it was announced that is was JN's last Sunday, how many people went over to him in the Sunday service and laid hands on him to send him out as we typically do when someone is relocating? Do you think that sending was grace filled? I know where you sit, I also know where the N's sit. I already know the answer as to how many and who. Tell it here please. My eyes were full of tears when I was told. I would love to be wrong. Please tell  me I am. I heard it was a party of ONE. </strong><em><strong>Ian </strong></em><a href="#comment-18630" rel="nofollow">June 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pm</a> <strong>IAN.. on your June 14th post you said: </strong>"All that to say, Paula B, that me and Lawrence both agree with you that we all should submit to the authority that God places in our lives, and we want nothing more than to honor Danny’s request, and we are in fact doing that.  Thanks, however, for the reminder to fulfill our biblical obligation to obey our God-ordained authorities.  We both agree with you there.  I<strong> refuted false information.  Lawrence defended me.  No sharing of the information that was given on Sunday took place." </strong>If you were to ask Danny, Benny or for that matter Dave H, I have a feeling that would not agree with your assessment. It's knid of like being told don't go to the movies but then you rent one. Well you didn't GO but you still saw a movie. It is semantics. The heart of what is being said, especially when the above biblical reference is used is no. Don't go there. In any form. Read the Gal 6:1 scripture again in the context Danny is using it. If you disgaree with it's use and it's context take it up with him, not me or us. The reference is partaking. It has nothing to do with what you do or do not share. Again. I want to make my stand extremely clear. I am up for any and all open conversation. We can agree to disagree.  The next year at MLC will be very telling indeed. May God move quickly and swifty in His church. Josh, I have the utmost respect for you and R. May God bless you and yours. STRETCHHHHHHHHHHHHH  ok ..I ate and now I can think.
JOSH.. this is in response to:
“ Dubuntante, by asking that Ian not post here because his pastor asked him not to, aren’t you asking him to abide by rules that this blog exists to tear down? By asking that, I’m not saying that I agree or disagree with you, it’s simply a question”

Josh,
The blog does not exist to ” tear down rules”- your wording. It started with a man who experienced spiritual  abuse, and was in a position of authority.  I am sure you know that. The blog exists because of the blatant spiritual abuse, manipulation, and down right lies that have happened to those here because of their SGM/MLC experience.  Josh, I planned on living my entire life and my memorial service being in that building. I already asked the church secretary to help me plan my funeral at one point because of my failing health. Emotionally, I just can not go there right now. I am not going to judge anyone else’s issues. Mine is enough for me.

Back to topic:
This is a point I am strongly serious about. First off it is not my blog. Jim is the blog master. Personally I am an open dialogue person. If you have a opinion, bring it. I love good healthy debate. It sharpens the mind, challenges the soul, and reveals the heart. It has also has helped to heal wounds, release bitterness, and turn eyes off worshipping man and on to worshipping our Saviour.

That is far from what I am talking about here however.

Ian and JP are not accountable to the blog, it’s people or is blog master Jim. They are, as I stated above, accountable to the leadership team they serve under. It is a blatant act of rebellion to defy that unction. It is disrespectful. It speaks volumes to those that read this blog from Metro on a daily basis, < I know many that do> KNOW what Danny J said, and these guys blew it off. Knowing that the leadership at Metro also read the blogs, it has to make me wonder why this is ok for a PK who still lives under mom and dad’s roof. Yes they do read them.

Josh, This is Danny’s gag order not mine.

If Metro is going to deal with sin, by all means let’s be sure leadership and all their offspring are called into account. By telling the church NO, laying down the terms, and then two twenty somethings come here to bang it  is bad form. As far as I am concerned? It would be a non issue if Danny J had not said NOT TO and why quote from that same meeting in reference to FB, Tweeting and Blogging:
“The Scripture gives us clear direction in Galatians 6:1 –
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.”  

AGAIN  Josh, This is Danny’s gag order not mine.

It is this example - Ian and JP- as representatives of Metro that speaks volumes. It screams to everyone here that it is OK for members that were asked not to do something ESPECIALLY JP, a pastors son, to comment here.

 ISN’T THIS WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT A PASTOR’S SON AND THE INABILITY OF A PASTOR TO RAISE, CONTROL, AND PROMOTE OBEDIENCE AND GODLY LIVING IN HIS CHILDREN?  Where is BP when JP is ignoring that pastor’s request, or does JP not have to obey Danny? IAN.. what about you?

AGAIN  and AGAIN  Josh, This is Danny’s gag order not mine.

The Blog name itself with the beginning thread was developed based on the MN issue so common sense would denote this thread should be off limits to anyone who is an, active, committed member of Metro from posting here. You fence people? That’s between you, Danny, and God. You determine the order of hierarchy and who you serve.  JP can come here and try and use semantics to validate his presence because of Ian. Ian is 22. He could have served in Iraq by now, had he chosen. He is a man, has his dad’s professional gifting, and is a great  young man and more than capable of handling himself. Ian is a welcome guest, when His pastoral staff releases him and his church to post. To Quote the artist SEAL- “Bring it on!” ————– But not until Danny  gives you permission or rescinds the gag order.

JOSH.. I have to ask you a question. When it was announced that is was JN’s last Sunday, how many people went over to him in the Sunday service and laid hands on him to send him out as we typically do when someone is relocating? Do you think that sending was grace filled? I know where you sit, I also know where the N’s sit. I already know the answer as to how many and who. Tell it here please. My eyes were full of tears when I was told. I would love to be wrong. Please tell  me I am. I heard it was a party of ONE.
Ian
June 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
IAN.. on your June 14th post you said:
“All that to say, Paula B, that me and Lawrence both agree with you that we all should submit to the authority that God places in our lives, and we want nothing more than to honor Danny’s request, and we are in fact doing that.  Thanks, however, for the reminder to fulfill our biblical obligation to obey our God-ordained authorities.  We both agree with you there.  I refuted false information.  Lawrence defended me.  No sharing of the information that was given on Sunday took place.”

If you were to ask Danny, Benny or for that matter Dave H, I have a feeling that would not agree with your assessment. It’s knid of like being told don’t go to the movies but then you rent one. Well you didn’t GO but you still saw a movie. It is semantics. The heart of what is being said, especially when the above biblical reference is used is no. Don’t go there. In any form. Read the Gal 6:1 scripture again in the context Danny is using it. If you disgaree with it’s use and it’s context take it up with him, not me or us. The reference is partaking. It has nothing to do with what you do or do not share.

Again. I want to make my stand extremely clear. I am up for any and all open conversation. We can agree to disagree.  The next year at MLC will be very telling indeed. May God move quickly and swifty in His church.

Josh, I have the utmost respect for you and R. May God bless you and yours.

]]> By: Steve240 http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18655 Steve240 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:41:43 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18655 DB said: "When one thinks of the sheltering that goes on in some circles combined with the value placed in immediate obedience (dare I say blind and mindless) maturation may well be delayed in many cases." Good point DB.  That may be explain the lack of maturity etc. in some circles where that is practiced.  I can't of where that might be the case.  ;-)  It can explain a lot.   Nauseated: Very good point. One practice says one is a man at that age another action says he is still a boy whose father should be covering him. DB said:
“When one thinks of the sheltering that goes on in some circles combined with the value placed in immediate obedience (dare I say blind and mindless) maturation may well be delayed in many cases.”
Good point DB.  That may be explain the lack of maturity etc. in some circles where that is practiced.  I can’t of where that might be the case.  ;-)   It can explain a lot.
 
Nauseated:
Very good point. One practice says one is a man at that age another action says he is still a boy whose father should be covering him.

]]> By: RT http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18653 RT Tue, 15 Jun 2010 01:53:38 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18653 If Jim is soft in the head, I want to be soft in the head, too. If Jim is soft in the head, I want to be soft in the head, too.

]]> By: Nauseated http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/06/07/soooo-metrooo/#comment-18652 Nauseated Tue, 15 Jun 2010 01:52:24 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=446#comment-18652 Let me get this straight. SGM willing admits that 22 year old men are old enough to attend Pastors College and return to a church to begin the process, as Interns, of  becoming Pastors, responsible for watching over a church and in some circles  standing in the very stead of God. BUT SGM also finds that if a different 22 year old is unruly he is considered a child and his father, the Pastor, is "degifted" Someone help me with this Twilight  Zone episode, I think I missed it. Let me get this straight. SGM willing admits that 22 year old men are old enough to attend Pastors College and return to a church to begin the process, as Interns, of  becoming Pastors, responsible for watching over a church and in some circles  standing in the very stead of God.
BUT
SGM also finds that if a different 22 year old is unruly he is considered a child and his father, the Pastor, is “degifted”
Someone help me with this Twilight  Zone episode, I think I missed it.

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