Comments on: Soooo Metro pt. 1 http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/ a safe haven Tue, 22 May 2012 14:02:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paul http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18169 Paul Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:30:51 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18169 Interesting 15 page read from Chris Lee, Executive Director for 30 years, the Boston Church of Christ/International Churches of Christ Things that make you go HMMMMMM. http://www.reveal.org/library/history/icoc_30years.pdf Interesting 15 page read from Chris Lee, Executive Director for 30 years, the Boston Church of Christ/International Churches of Christ
Things that make you go HMMMMMM.
http://www.reveal.org/library/.....0years.pdf

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18161 DEBUTANTE Mon, 07 Jun 2010 07:39:25 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18161 WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those who were at Metro Sunday morning, any thoughts? WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those who were at Metro Sunday morning, any thoughts?

]]> By: Defender http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18140 Defender Sun, 06 Jun 2010 14:44:34 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18140 If the question is about the NORTH church, I can give no help. I know nothing of what has or is happening up there.   I'm glad the "J's" were able to help you. If the question is about the NORTH church, I can give no help. I know nothing of what has or is happening up there.
 
I’m glad the “J’s” were able to help you.

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18131 DEBUTANTE Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:18:08 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18131 DEFENDER The person that wrote on the tab at the top of the page that says CONCERNED? is TforJC. He is the one asking all the questions and has blogged on that thread.  You may me able to help him out as well! Check that page. Yes we  had friend that left on that church plant from MLC the "J"'s at the South Plant. They have helped us a great deal walking us through some of the issues we had been walking through at MLC since we knew them back in the day. Robyn blogged on the CONCERNED thread for TforJC. See if you can shed some light for him as well there. :-) DEFENDER
The person that wrote on the tab at the top of the page that says CONCERNED? is TforJC. He is the one asking all the questions and has blogged on that thread.  You may me able to help him out as well! Check that page. Yes we  had friend that left on that church plant from MLC the “J”‘s at the South Plant. They have helped us a great deal walking us through some of the issues we had been walking through at MLC since we knew them back in the day.
Robyn blogged on the CONCERNED thread for TforJC. See if you can shed some light for him as well there. :-)

]]> By: Defender http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18121 Defender Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:49:18 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18121 Debutante, Which Denver church plant are you referring to? I was in the South Denver Church plant and do know of one couple that came from MLC, and yes they were burned too. Is that who you are referring to, or are there more? Robyn was (If I read her correctly) talking of the NORTH Denver church.   I might assume that some might not be aware that there were two Denver church plants, North and South. (And yes, problems occurred at both.) Debutante,
Which Denver church plant are you referring to?
I was in the South Denver Church plant and do know of one couple that came from MLC, and yes they were burned too.
Is that who you are referring to, or are there more?
Robyn was (If I read her correctly) talking of the NORTH Denver church.
 
I might assume that some might not be aware that there were two Denver church plants, North and South. (And yes, problems occurred at both.)

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18119 DEBUTANTE Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:21:16 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18119 Robyn  There is a guy on the blog < go to the tab at the top CONCERNED>. He wrote in May 2010 and he is looking for anwers. You may want to repost this ofr him there. Sounds like he can use a hand walking through the maze. Some dear folks from MLC went to the Denver Church Plant and were terribly burned. I know enough about that but it was 5-6 years ago. Sounds like this is a  now thing for this TforJC person. Hope you can help! Robyn 
There is a guy on the blog < go to the tab at the top CONCERNED>. He wrote in May 2010 and he is looking for anwers. You may want to repost this ofr him there. Sounds like he can use a hand walking through the maze. Some dear folks from MLC went to the Denver Church Plant and were terribly burned. I know enough about that but it was 5-6 years ago. Sounds like this is a  now thing for this TforJC person. Hope you can help!

]]> By: Robyn Stewart (Marmon) http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18112 Robyn Stewart (Marmon) Sat, 05 Jun 2010 14:51:51 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18112 To Debutante and Anyone else :-) I have posted here before but wanted to open the door again to communication.  If anyone has any questions of what happened in North Denver, to some degree I would be able to answer lots of questions.  Charlie (my exhusband) was the Single's Pastor (Intern for over 2 years) and we had attended since 1999.  I know much has happened, and although I know much of others stories, I will only disclose my own.  Also, to put away fears (as much as one can) I am not here to gossip or slander, but to speak the TRUTH.  The truth is big enough and in this case (CJ Mahaney would agree) shocking enough to put any alarm bells on.  So, once again, if you are looking for answers or clarity, dont hesitate to email me at robynstewart5@hotmail.com God bless us and continue to protect us as we speak the TRUTH.  Amen Robyn Stewart (Marmon) To Debutante and Anyone else :-)

I have posted here before but wanted to open the door again to communication.  If anyone has any questions of what happened in North Denver, to some degree I would be able to answer lots of questions.  Charlie (my exhusband) was the Single’s Pastor (Intern for over 2 years) and we had attended since 1999.  I know much has happened, and although I know much of others stories, I will only disclose my own.  Also, to put away fears (as much as one can) I am not here to gossip or slander, but to speak the TRUTH.  The truth is big enough and in this case (CJ Mahaney would agree) shocking enough to put any alarm bells on.  So, once again, if you are looking for answers or clarity, dont hesitate to email me at robynstewart5@hotmail.com

God bless us and continue to protect us as we speak the TRUTH.  Amen
Robyn Stewart (Marmon)

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18107 DEBUTANTE Sat, 05 Jun 2010 11:49:56 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18107 RT .. Thanks... great to be here. RT ..
Thanks… great to be here.

]]> By: RT http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18098 RT Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:19:19 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18098 Debutante, I am going to bed now, and will pray for your son when my head hits the pillow.  God is gracious, and not willing to lose any of his people. It's so good to have you here. Debutante,

I am going to bed now, and will pray for your son when my head hits the pillow.  God is gracious, and not willing to lose any of his people.

It’s so good to have you here.

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18091 DEBUTANTE Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:58:02 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18091 HEY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!! Has any one looked under the "CONCERNED" tab at the top lately? There is a post by <strong><em>TforJC </em></strong><a href="#comment-17609" rel="nofollow">May 15th, 2010 at 1:09 am</a> Wow this is not good! HEY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has any one looked under the “CONCERNED” tab at the top lately? There is a post by
TforJC
May 15th, 2010 at 1:09 am

Wow this is not good!

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18086 DEBUTANTE Fri, 04 Jun 2010 23:56:48 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18086 <strong><cite>"Collateral Damage</cite> </strong><a href="#comment-18071" rel="nofollow">June 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm</a> No changes I’ve seen, other than more empty seats on Sunday. Lots of activity and things to do (VBS, parenting classes, counseling training, evangelism classes, youth retreat, etc.) Rotating worship leaders (of which, Chris Jesse should get the job. He’s the only true worship leader they have now.) I’m not sure if things are going on behind the scenes as we’ve made the conscience effort to stay in the background. Our previous SGC experience taught us not to get too close to the inner workings. You just get burned.' CD, I gotta ask you and you can email me, you do not have to answer here. We have both been around SGM since the day of the dinosaurs.  Why stay  if you feel that way? Is that not like the osttrich? If I keep my head in the sand long enough I won't see the lion crouching to attack? <strong>There is no whole big enough CD!</strong>  That is " FEAR OF MAN" !  Get your head out of the sand and face off with the lions or find a new pasture to graze in.  There is no life with your head in the sand. IF God has placed you at MLC and called you to stay , live like it! If fear of getting burned again is you motive, that is no motive and no way to live dear heart. Live in the fullness God has provided, not under the radar. <a href="mailto:agelessdebutante@aol.com" rel="nofollow">agelessdebutante@aol.com</a> “Collateral Damage
June 4th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
No changes I’ve seen, other than more empty seats on Sunday. Lots of activity and things to do (VBS, parenting classes, counseling training, evangelism classes, youth retreat, etc.) Rotating worship leaders (of which, Chris Jesse should get the job. He’s the only true worship leader they have now.) I’m not sure if things are going on behind the scenes as we’ve made the conscience effort to stay in the background. Our previous SGC experience taught us not to get too close to the inner workings. You just get burned.’

CD,

I gotta ask you and you can email me, you do not have to answer here. We have both been around SGM since the day of the dinosaurs.  Why stay  if you feel that way? Is that not like the osttrich? If I keep my head in the sand long enough I won’t see the lion crouching to attack? There is no whole big enough CD!  That is ” FEAR OF MAN” !  Get your head out of the sand and face off with the lions or find a new pasture to graze in.  There is no life with your head in the sand. IF God has placed you at MLC and called you to stay , live like it! If fear of getting burned again is you motive, that is no motive and no way to live dear heart. Live in the fullness God has provided, not under the radar. agelessdebutante@aol.com

]]> By: Collateral Damage http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18071 Collateral Damage Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:32:12 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18071 No changes I've seen, other than more empty seats on Sunday. Lots of activity and things to do (VBS, parenting classes, counseling training, evangelism classes, youth retreat, etc.) Rotating worship leaders (of which, Chris Jesse should get the job. He's the only true worship leader they have now.) I'm not sure if things are going on behind the scenes as we've made the conscience effort to stay in the background. Our previous SGC experience taught us not to get too close to the inner workings. You just get burned. No changes I’ve seen, other than more empty seats on Sunday. Lots of activity and things to do (VBS, parenting classes, counseling training, evangelism classes, youth retreat, etc.) Rotating worship leaders (of which, Chris Jesse should get the job. He’s the only true worship leader they have now.) I’m not sure if things are going on behind the scenes as we’ve made the conscience effort to stay in the background. Our previous SGC experience taught us not to get too close to the inner workings. You just get burned.

]]> By: Gracie http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18059 Gracie Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:36:07 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18059 Debutante, Welcome from me as well.  Like Kindred, I can also relate to the power drill temptation.  I will pray for your son.  On another note, are there any current Metro members who can answer the question about change that Jim posed?  Aside from Todd, what changes do you see?  My PDI experience was at Metro many years ago.  I have spent these years hoping and trusting that things had changed, while at the same time watching my sister and her family get torn up at another SGM location spanning another decade or so.    I would  be thrilled to hear of change in Orlando.  I would be thrilled to be able to reconnect with old friends.  We were only there for three years, over 20 years ago now, but were somewhat visible in the church  at that time.   Debutante,
Welcome from me as well.  Like Kindred, I can also relate to the power drill temptation.  I will pray for your son. 

On another note, are there any current Metro members who can answer the question about change that Jim posed?  Aside from Todd, what changes do you see?  My PDI experience was at Metro many years ago.  I have spent these years hoping and trusting that things had changed, while at the same time watching my sister and her family get torn up at another SGM location spanning another decade or so.    I would  be thrilled to hear of change in Orlando.  I would be thrilled to be able to reconnect with old friends.  We were only there for three years, over 20 years ago now, but were somewhat visible in the church  at that time.  

]]> By: A Kindred Spirit http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18057 A Kindred Spirit Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:09:56 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18057 <em>"I love the comfort of knowing I do not have to chase him around with a bible, stick a tract in his car door, or talk him into showing up for a service. God opens little doors here and there. God brings us to the end of ourselves and opens our eyes. I am just a little tool in God’s big tool box. There are times as a mom I WANT to be the whole box and the power drill as well! Yes, there are times when I draw him out and we unpack bits and pieces. Those are wonderful moments indeed!" </em>Well said, DEBUTANTE...and so true!  Want to extend my welcome, as well. - Kindred (I'm a "power drill" by nature so I REALLY appreciated that comment.  It's a constant battle for me.) “I love the comfort of knowing I do not have to chase him around with a bible, stick a tract in his car door, or talk him into showing up for a service. God opens little doors here and there. God brings us to the end of ourselves and opens our eyes. I am just a little tool in God’s big tool box. There are times as a mom I WANT to be the whole box and the power drill as well! Yes, there are times when I draw him out and we unpack bits and pieces. Those are wonderful moments indeed!”

Well said, DEBUTANTE…and so true! 

Want to extend my welcome, as well.

- Kindred

(I’m a “power drill” by nature so I REALLY appreciated that comment.  It’s a constant battle for me.)

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18049 DEBUTANTE Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:56:37 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18049 OHHHHHHHHHHHHH RT and JIM! I do hate doing this at almost 3 am! Guys<strong> thanks</strong> for your ear about my older son. It was and is not as much about being burned by the church as it was none of this was the way he wanted to live. He said the magic words for mom and dad , but it was not in his heart. He and I have danced lightly on the why he walked away. You really can't own something you never had. He never had it,and thats ok! Thats is what Jesus died for. I love the comfort of knowing I do not have to chase him around with a bible, stick a tract in his car door, or talk him into showing up for a service. God opens little doors here and there. God brings us to the end of ourselves and opens our eyes. I am just a little tool in God's big tool box. There are times as a mom I WANT to be the whole box and the power drill as well! Yes, there are times when I draw him out and we unpack bits and pieces. Those are wonderful moments indeed! OHHHHHHHHHHHHH RT and JIM!
I do hate doing this at almost 3 am! Guys thanks for your ear about my older son. It was and is not as much about being burned by the church as it was none of this was the way he wanted to live. He said the magic words for mom and dad , but it was not in his heart. He and I have danced lightly on the why he walked away. You really can’t own something you never had. He never had it,and thats ok! Thats is what Jesus died for. I love the comfort of knowing I do not have to chase him around with a bible, stick a tract in his car door, or talk him into showing up for a service. God opens little doors here and there. God brings us to the end of ourselves and opens our eyes. I am just a little tool in God’s big tool box. There are times as a mom I WANT to be the whole box and the power drill as well! Yes, there are times when I draw him out and we unpack bits and pieces. Those are wonderful moments indeed!

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18048 DEBUTANTE Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:34:41 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18048 AWE!!!!!!!!!!                NICKNAME                  THANKS!!!!!!!!! STUNNED  you crack me up! I am hitting 56 this year and I get the plump thing all too well! Been fighting it the past 6 years now. It keeps winning! Hope you had a great time at the horses! PATRICIA I get what you are saying all too well. There are times when I would have  thoughts of something happening without my old church family and I would get very uncomfortable. That's An Understantment! I have and have  had a terrible health history the past 16 years and I think at times I wore some of those dear souls out! I would count myself among being very blessed with incredible relationships and have been heroically served during times of extended illness. When I was well I would look for every opportunity to serve the way I had been served. And then some. God designed community life as we read in Acts, but when I put that thought process in place of my walk with God, that's where I got into trouble. I LOVE my old church family. They were and are some of the finest folks I have ever known or will know. However, they can not take the place of Jesus in my life. That, I think, is why God walks us through things that are just a Father- Daughter experiences.  Or if your a guy, Father-Son. I could not let that "what if " block my ability to hear God's voice. I did not want fear to rule in my life. OH..those friends at Metro? They are still my friends thankfully! Still hang out and do things, but I know as we build in our new church home all that will change to an extent. It has to! There are only so many hours in a day. When it all shakes out it is God, and him alone. That's a good thing! God's direction in our leaving banishes all those "what if's". All this means that on one side of the coin God  designed us to be in relationship. On the other side of the coin our relationships in relational churches should not take the place of the one we have with God. It is easy to mistake one for the other. Thank you all for your concern for my older son. Pray. We see glimmers on the horizon. He has been more open about his life and, athough he is far from God, we see a loving Father calling him home.  Time is only significant to me. It is not to the author of all time! I always remind myself of what a mess I was and God rescued me. If he can change me, anyone else is a cake walk  LOL! AWE!!!!!!!!!!                NICKNAME                  THANKS!!!!!!!!!

STUNNED  you crack me up! I am hitting 56 this year and I get the plump thing all too well! Been fighting it the past 6 years now. It keeps winning! Hope you had a great time at the horses!

PATRICIA I get what you are saying all too well. There are times when I would have  thoughts of something happening without my old church family and I would get very uncomfortable. That’s An Understantment!

I have and have  had a terrible health history the past 16 years and I think at times I wore some of those dear souls out! I would count myself among being very blessed with incredible relationships and have been heroically served during times of extended illness. When I was well I would look for every opportunity to serve the way I had been served. And then some.

God designed community life as we read in Acts, but when I put that thought process in place of my walk with God, that’s where I got into trouble. I LOVE my old church family. They were and are some of the finest folks I have ever known or will know. However, they can not take the place of Jesus in my life. That, I think, is why God walks us through things that are just a Father- Daughter experiences.  Or if your a guy, Father-Son. I could not let that “what if ” block my ability to hear God’s voice. I did not want fear to rule in my life. OH..those friends at Metro? They are still my friends thankfully! Still hang out and do things, but I know as we build in our new church home all that will change to an extent. It has to! There are only so many hours in a day. When it all shakes out it is God, and him alone. That’s a good thing! God’s direction in our leaving banishes all those “what if’s”. All this means that on one side of the coin God  designed us to be in relationship. On the other side of the coin our relationships in relational churches should not take the place of the one we have with God. It is easy to mistake one for the other.

Thank you all for your concern for my older son. Pray. We see glimmers on the horizon. He has been more open about his life and, athough he is far from God, we see a loving Father calling him home.  Time is only significant to me. It is not to the author of all time! I always remind myself of what a mess I was and God rescued me. If he can change me, anyone else is a cake walk  LOL!

]]> By: Patricia http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18016 Patricia Thu, 03 Jun 2010 14:49:24 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18016 Yes, Stunned, and I think you added much to what I said when you said that's why Christ left His throne to come down and suffer for our sins. Thankfully, He is risen and it's only a matter of time before we see Him face to face again. What is most encouraging is that He intercedes for us now, and His love for us is sure.             Yes, Stunned, and I think you added much to what I said when you said that’s why Christ left His throne to come down and suffer for our sins. Thankfully, He is risen and it’s only a matter of time before we see Him face to face again. What is most encouraging is that He intercedes for us now, and His love for us is sure.
 
 
 
 
 
 

]]> By: Stunned http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-18005 Stunned Thu, 03 Jun 2010 04:20:00 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-18005 Patricia said, "In some ways that was the best part of leaving for it put us face to face with God." Patricia, that was beautiful.  That seems to be what He really cares about, doesn't it?  If not, why would He have left His throne to come down here to suffer.  For us.  To be with us.  :-) Patricia said, “In some ways that was the best part of leaving for it put us face to face with God.”

Patricia, that was beautiful.  That seems to be what He really cares about, doesn’t it?  If not, why would He have left His throne to come down here to suffer.  For us.  To be with us.  :-)

]]> By: Nickname http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-17999 Nickname Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:37:06 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-17999 Debutante -- You're my new best friend.   You have my utmost admiration! Debutante — You’re my new best friend.   You have my utmost admiration!

]]> By: DEBUTANTE http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/05/27/soooo-metro-pt-1/#comment-17995 DEBUTANTE Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:36:35 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=441#comment-17995 Hey guys and thanks. HUGE HUGS to all. All to say briefly here we have walked our older son through an explaination of why we left minus all the drama.  I agree with that statement Jim, there is a book out on the same topic, LOL! Actually it is hard for me to be  upset. I have been enough of a boo boo head myself in life.  I just do not get why some can not see past the nose on thier faces. I never really had the luxury of numerous people confronting me about my sin and shortsightedness in mass. When so many people are and have walked you would think it would make you have to wonder what is not being done right. Oh well! I know the other Metro folks { and ex} that are posting here. Many of our closest friends are and feel called to stay, and thats ok. Someone has to stay and walk this through, I just knew it was not for us to do any longer.  As my new pastor said to us this past Sunday when we told him about our decision, Ok, now its time to get to work.  I like that! I am ready to dig in to what God has for me to engage in. I want to put my feet to the gospel. i am so tired to sitting in an RTS class Sunday after Sunday and navel gazing the remainder of the week because I am not good enough to be used. I feel free! It is a wonderful feeling. As someone else in a much older old said, "when i read God's word, it comes alive". I was listening to a message last night by another author and he said loosely, I love walking through the book store of your church, there is nothing there I would not recommend, however did you stop reading the bible".YES the bible. What a concept. Hey guys and thanks. HUGE HUGS to all. All to say briefly here we have walked our older son through an explaination of why we left minus all the drama.  I agree with that statement Jim, there is a book out on the same topic, LOL! Actually it is hard for me to be  upset. I have been enough of a boo boo head myself in life.  I just do not get why some can not see past the nose on thier faces. I never really had the luxury of numerous people confronting me about my sin and shortsightedness in mass. When so many people are and have walked you would think it would make you have to wonder what is not being done right. Oh well!

I know the other Metro folks { and ex} that are posting here. Many of our closest friends are and feel called to stay, and thats ok. Someone has to stay and walk this through, I just knew it was not for us to do any longer.

 As my new pastor said to us this past Sunday when we told him about our decision, Ok, now its time to get to work.  I like that! I am ready to dig in to what God has for me to engage in. I want to put my feet to the gospel. i am so tired to sitting in an RTS class Sunday after Sunday and navel gazing the remainder of the week because I am not good enough to be used. I feel free! It is a wonderful feeling. As someone else in a much older old said, “when i read God’s word, it comes alive”. I was listening to a message last night by another author and he said loosely, I love walking through the book store of your church, there is nothing there I would not recommend, however did you stop reading the bible”.YES the bible. What a concept.

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