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		<title>By: Martini</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-48021</link>
		<dc:creator>Martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 20:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Presbyterian Form of Government is a tried and true way to enhance accountability and prevent authoritarianism in the church.  Sure, we&#039;re not charismatic, but I have absolute confidence in our elders (who are nominated and voted on by the congregation) that they will do the right thing concerning our pastor (who is not a member, not on the session, and is simply under care of the regional presbytery).  It&#039;s almost like we lease our pastors but with an indefinite timeline on their contract.  The only power he gets is from the elders and the only powers elders get comes from the congregation.  SGM-defectors, please consider joining the PCA, OPC, BPC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Presbyterian Form of Government is a tried and true way to enhance accountability and prevent authoritarianism in the church.  Sure, we&#8217;re not charismatic, but I have absolute confidence in our elders (who are nominated and voted on by the congregation) that they will do the right thing concerning our pastor (who is not a member, not on the session, and is simply under care of the regional presbytery).  It&#8217;s almost like we lease our pastors but with an indefinite timeline on their contract.  The only power he gets is from the elders and the only powers elders get comes from the congregation.  SGM-defectors, please consider joining the PCA, OPC, BPC.</p>
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		<title>By: DEBUTANTE</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator>DEBUTANTE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 07:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRV AND DEFENDER :-}~~~~~~  At least you both know what that means ROFL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRV AND DEFENDER :-}~~~~~~  At least you both know what that means ROFL!</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18158</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN Brother!</description>
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		<title>By: Irv</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18157</link>
		<dc:creator>Irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 04:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Defender -- LOL We are both men under authority :) and understand what that really means. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defender &#8212; LOL We are both men under authority <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  and understand what that really means. </p>
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		<title>By: Steve240</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18155</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve240</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh said:
 
Yes, I paid tuition and living expenses while attending the Pastor’s College (with Dad’s help).
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Very little college experience, and certainly no college degree. I guess I’m not very “well rounded”.  I do have a wall worth of meaningless technical certification plaques, in case that’s worth something. 
 
Sorry for my late response back.  Thanks for getting back to me.
 
This is interesting how you say you paid for attending the PC.  I have heard other places where both are paid and is a  quite significant cost to put someone through the PC College.  Part of that cost can be explained by SGM and/or sponsoring local church having to pay the student&#039;s living expenses in MD plus possibly an existing mortgage that the family has back home in addition to the training cost.
 
Well at least in your case since you didn&#039;t complete the training due to as you say your fault it was good that you paid your way and not SGM or the local church sending you.
 
An argument for having obtained a degree from college (preferably at least a bachelor&#039;s degree) is that it demonstrates one has what it takes to study and earn a degree. This would include having the necessary discipline and study skills.  This especially necessary with an accelerated and short program the pastor&#039;s college is.
 
I would also argue that one needs more training and schooling than just home schooling gives or if some have the traditional high school diploma.  I am guessing that a lot of the pastor&#039;s college students were home schooled.  I am glad to hear that now most of the have some type of a degree.
 
 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh said:</p>
<p>Yes, I paid tuition and living expenses while attending the Pastor’s College (with Dad’s help).<br />
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Very little college experience, and certainly no college degree. I guess I’m not very “well rounded”.  I do have a wall worth of meaningless technical certification plaques, in case that’s worth something. <br />
 <br />
Sorry for my late response back.  Thanks for getting back to me.<br />
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This is interesting how you say you paid for attending the PC.  I have heard other places where both are paid and is a  quite significant cost to put someone through the PC College.  Part of that cost can be explained by SGM and/or sponsoring local church having to pay the student&#8217;s living expenses in MD plus possibly an existing mortgage that the family has back home in addition to the training cost.<br />
 <br />
Well at least in your case since you didn&#8217;t complete the training due to as you say your fault it was good that you paid your way and not SGM or the local church sending you.<br />
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An argument for having obtained a degree from college (preferably at least a bachelor&#8217;s degree) is that it demonstrates one has what it takes to study and earn a degree. This would include having the necessary discipline and study skills.  This especially necessary with an accelerated and short program the pastor&#8217;s college is.<br />
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I would also argue that one needs more training and schooling than just home schooling gives or if some have the traditional high school diploma.  I am guessing that a lot of the pastor&#8217;s college students were home schooled.  I am glad to hear that now most of the have some type of a degree.<br />
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18130</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I placed a sign over my wife&#039;s desk as a reminder to me &amp; the kids.
&quot;If Mama ain&#039;t happy, ......... Ain&#039;t nobody gonna be happy.&quot;
That caption is under the picture of a Cowgirl with two smoking guns in her hands.
Lookout!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I placed a sign over my wife&#8217;s desk as a reminder to me &amp; the kids.<br />
&#8220;If Mama ain&#8217;t happy, &#8230;&#8230;&#8230; Ain&#8217;t nobody gonna be happy.&#8221;<br />
That caption is under the picture of a Cowgirl with two smoking guns in her hands.<br />
Lookout!</p>
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		<title>By: Irv</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18129</link>
		<dc:creator>Irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 04:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So glad there so many spirit filled Redskins fans. It warms the cockles of my heart :)  
 
Just got back from a disappointing Diamondback win over the Rockies. Mrs Irv, born in Colorado, was very unhappy with the 4-3 outcome. As many of you men out there know - when momma is happy everyone is happy but the reciprocal is true as well - when momma is unhappy everyone is unhappy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So glad there so many spirit filled Redskins fans. It warms the cockles of my heart <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   <br />
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Just got back from a disappointing Diamondback win over the Rockies. Mrs Irv, born in Colorado, was very unhappy with the 4-3 outcome. As many of you men out there know &#8211; when momma is happy everyone is happy but the reciprocal is true as well &#8211; when momma is unhappy everyone is unhappy. </p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18120</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely it’s no coincidence that “Hail to the Redskins” starts in the same melody as ‘Yes, Jesus Loves me!”
 
How&#039;d that go?
 
Yes Jesus Loves me,...
Coach Joe Gibbs Told Me So.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it’s no coincidence that “Hail to the Redskins” starts in the same melody as ‘Yes, Jesus Loves me!”<br />
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How&#8217;d that go?<br />
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Yes Jesus Loves me,&#8230;<br />
Coach Joe Gibbs Told Me So.</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18118</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess there is a reason there are warnings and stories in scripture about lying to, or grieving, or blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
It usually turns out very badly.
K. Jacob said on two known occasions that he thought of himself as the Holy Spirit, or at least wanted to &quot;be the Holy Spirit&quot;.
That unholy thought process seams to be rampant in SGM leadership culture.
It&#039;s scary!
Keith once stopped someone from bringing an encouraging word to the congregation because of time restraints, and said to the congregation that this person had a &quot;word from the Holy Spirit that was very good, but we didn&#039;t have time for it today.&quot;
 
No time for the Holy Spirit in the &quot;worship service&quot;?????
 
A family confronted Keith about that, and after several months of &quot;conflict&quot; with Keith, they left the church.
 
That was a common pattern we were seeing in the south Denver church, and then we got our turn.
 
Yes, it&#039;s systemic in SGM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess there is a reason there are warnings and stories in scripture about lying to, or grieving, or blaspheming the Holy Spirit.<br />
It usually turns out very badly.<br />
K. Jacob said on two known occasions that he thought of himself as the Holy Spirit, or at least wanted to &#8220;be the Holy Spirit&#8221;.<br />
That unholy thought process seams to be rampant in SGM leadership culture.<br />
It&#8217;s scary!<br />
Keith once stopped someone from bringing an encouraging word to the congregation because of time restraints, and said to the congregation that this person had a &#8220;word from the Holy Spirit that was very good, but we didn&#8217;t have time for it today.&#8221;<br />
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No time for the Holy Spirit in the &#8220;worship service&#8221;?????<br />
 <br />
A family confronted Keith about that, and after several months of &#8220;conflict&#8221; with Keith, they left the church.<br />
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That was a common pattern we were seeing in the south Denver church, and then we got our turn.<br />
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Yes, it&#8217;s systemic in SGM!</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18116</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gracie,

My family in FL are now official Bronco fans.  Tim T. is now in the 3rd position as q.b., with the guy who had that position having been let go (wasn&#039;t better than Tim T.).  There is still a quesiton of who will be starter qb between the first and second string.  Everyone is speculating but will have to wait and see after they have their camp, next week I think.

As to the Redskins, woo-hoo!  Joe Gibbs was a great coach.  I remember when they won the Super Bowl in the early eighties - cars honking, parties going on!  Then we moved to NC and got the Panthers.  Still sad over the loss of Dehlome (spelling?) but I guess they gave him a lot of time to improve.  So, now we are Denver fans.   But we lost Marshal who caught a ball like a ballet dancer in flight.  Going to miss seeing that...

Debutante and Irv, I too noticed that the Holy Spirit didn&#039;t seem welcome.  I didn&#039;t want to say it out loud, but you saw it too, right?  I wasn&#039;t imagining it?  Our pastor deliberately made a decision (according to our cg leader)  &quot;not to go that way&quot; during a time of refreshing that changed many lives.  I just didn&#039;t want to believe any leader would say that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gracie,</p>
<p>My family in FL are now official Bronco fans.  Tim T. is now in the 3rd position as q.b., with the guy who had that position having been let go (wasn&#8217;t better than Tim T.).  There is still a quesiton of who will be starter qb between the first and second string.  Everyone is speculating but will have to wait and see after they have their camp, next week I think.</p>
<p>As to the Redskins, woo-hoo!  Joe Gibbs was a great coach.  I remember when they won the Super Bowl in the early eighties &#8211; cars honking, parties going on!  Then we moved to NC and got the Panthers.  Still sad over the loss of Dehlome (spelling?) but I guess they gave him a lot of time to improve.  So, now we are Denver fans.   But we lost Marshal who caught a ball like a ballet dancer in flight.  Going to miss seeing that&#8230;</p>
<p>Debutante and Irv, I too noticed that the Holy Spirit didn&#8217;t seem welcome.  I didn&#8217;t want to say it out loud, but you saw it too, right?  I wasn&#8217;t imagining it?  Our pastor deliberately made a decision (according to our cg leader)  &#8220;not to go that way&#8221; during a time of refreshing that changed many lives.  I just didn&#8217;t want to believe any leader would say that!</p>
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		<title>By: Defended</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18115</link>
		<dc:creator>Defended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely it&#039;s no coincidence that &quot;Hail to the Redskins&quot; starts in the same melody as &#039;Yes, Jesus Loves me!&quot; 

right? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely it&#8217;s no coincidence that &#8220;Hail to the Redskins&#8221; starts in the same melody as &#8216;Yes, Jesus Loves me!&#8221; </p>
<p>right? </p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18108</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-----start snip-----
O if we could return to the days of Joe Gibbs!!!
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Now that&#039;s something I can say &quot;amen&quot; to!


Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8211;start snip&#8212;&#8211;<br />
O if we could return to the days of Joe Gibbs!!!<br />
&#8212;&#8211;end snip&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s something I can say &#8220;amen&#8221; to!</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Gracie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18106</link>
		<dc:creator>Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 11:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canary, I may just become a Bronco fan after your new quarterback acquisition from FL! </description>
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		<title>By: DEBUTANTE</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18103</link>
		<dc:creator>DEBUTANTE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Irv
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-18097&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;June 5th, 2010 at 12:33 am&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;There are many good men and women that SGM drove away who were hurt but SGM was also hurt missing the potential of maturity and growth of His kingdom but as keepinginstep commented – the most devastating person that was driven away was the Holy Spirit. &quot;

NOT much has changed then IRV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Irv<br />
</em></strong><a href="#comment-18097" rel="nofollow">June 5th, 2010 at 12:33 am</a><br />
&#8220;There are many good men and women that SGM drove away who were hurt but SGM was also hurt missing the potential of maturity and growth of His kingdom but as keepinginstep commented – the most devastating person that was driven away was the Holy Spirit. &#8221;</p>
<p>NOT much has changed then IRV.</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18101</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Irv,
Another Redskins fan?
Cool!
Hail to the Redskins!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Irv,<br />
Another Redskins fan?<br />
Cool!<br />
Hail to the Redskins!!</p>
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		<title>By: Irv</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18097</link>
		<dc:creator>Irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 04:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canary - I can give you a thumbs up on the football - I know there are many that attend the 1st church of the NFL. As a Redskins fan, we were glad to pick up your Bronco reject - perhaps we will enter the NFL this year. O if we could return to the days of Joe Gibbs!!!  
 
DEBUTANTE - I resigned my church in 1996 and officially left 6 months later. Unfortunately with PDI their image was more important than truth. There are many good men and women that SGM drove away who were hurt but SGM was also hurt missing the potential of maturity and growth of His kingdom but as keepinginstep commented - the most devastating person that was driven away was the Holy Spirit. (devastating to SGM that is)

Must say your counsel to Collateral Damage was right on! I hope she hears you. Appreciate your honesty and freshness on the blog!! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canary &#8211; I can give you a thumbs up on the football &#8211; I know there are many that attend the 1st church of the NFL. As a Redskins fan, we were glad to pick up your Bronco reject &#8211; perhaps we will enter the NFL this year. O if we could return to the days of Joe Gibbs!!!  <br />
 <br />
DEBUTANTE &#8211; I resigned my church in 1996 and officially left 6 months later. Unfortunately with PDI their image was more important than truth. There are many good men and women that SGM drove away who were hurt but SGM was also hurt missing the potential of maturity and growth of His kingdom but as keepinginstep commented &#8211; the most devastating person that was driven away was the Holy Spirit. (devastating to SGM that is)</p>
<p>Must say your counsel to Collateral Damage was right on! I hope she hears you. Appreciate your honesty and freshness on the blog!! </p>
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		<title>By: DEBUTANTE</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18090</link>
		<dc:creator>DEBUTANTE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRV...
When was your coming our party?  I have heard a few pastoral horror stories by ex SGM  pastors but that one only shows me the level of manipulation apostolic oversight is will to go through to make anyone in leadership who thinks about leaving SGM the subject of a Salem Witch Hunt.&lt;strong&gt; It must be that/those sins in your life and we must tell the congregation that is the real issue&lt;/strong&gt;. Being sinners I am sure finding something wasn&#039;t the issue. Using it to cover issues you had with your SGM Apostle is another matter. THE SIN. It disqualifies us all.  Why do we even bother &lt; sarcasm intended&gt;!

Makes me wonder about the fiasco in my own MLC experience. Todd could not escape fast enough or I am sure he too would have been &lt;strong&gt;the topic&lt;/strong&gt; of the hunt. He kept trying to expose all this for over a year with zero help or response. The rest of the team? Danny was in my estimation incredibly sincere. Benny took about 60 seconds and should have gone on for 30 minutes more. Mike, gads there is not a lazy bone in his body and he is repenting for laziness. Not buying that one for a nanosecond. My summation? It was hard to believe any of it after Danny. If you were there you know what I am talking about.  Navel gazing. Yes, I agree IRV &quot;The good news is there is life and life abundantly after PDI&quot;/SGM.  Our life is in Christ. WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRV&#8230;<br />
When was your coming our party?  I have heard a few pastoral horror stories by ex SGM  pastors but that one only shows me the level of manipulation apostolic oversight is will to go through to make anyone in leadership who thinks about leaving SGM the subject of a Salem Witch Hunt.<strong> It must be that/those sins in your life and we must tell the congregation that is the real issue</strong>. Being sinners I am sure finding something wasn&#8217;t the issue. Using it to cover issues you had with your SGM Apostle is another matter. THE SIN. It disqualifies us all.  Why do we even bother &lt; sarcasm intended&gt;!</p>
<p>Makes me wonder about the fiasco in my own MLC experience. Todd could not escape fast enough or I am sure he too would have been <strong>the topic</strong> of the hunt. He kept trying to expose all this for over a year with zero help or response. The rest of the team? Danny was in my estimation incredibly sincere. Benny took about 60 seconds and should have gone on for 30 minutes more. Mike, gads there is not a lazy bone in his body and he is repenting for laziness. Not buying that one for a nanosecond. My summation? It was hard to believe any of it after Danny. If you were there you know what I am talking about.  Navel gazing. Yes, I agree IRV &#8220;The good news is there is life and life abundantly after PDI&#8221;/SGM.  Our life is in Christ. WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAA!</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18088</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Defender,

How about football Sundays?  Don&#039;t forget those.  Go Broncos!  A lot of fellowship goes on in our house over chips, dip, and football.  Didn&#039;t God invent football?   I&#039;m sure He must have...

Seriously, the more religion boxes a person in, the less they can really hear God for themselves.  A church should not be run like a corporation.  Glad we all found our freedom to live full lives for the Lord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Defender,</p>
<p>How about football Sundays?  Don&#8217;t forget those.  Go Broncos!  A lot of fellowship goes on in our house over chips, dip, and football.  Didn&#8217;t God invent football?   I&#8217;m sure He must have&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, the more religion boxes a person in, the less they can really hear God for themselves.  A church should not be run like a corporation.  Glad we all found our freedom to live full lives for the Lord!</p>
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		<title>By: Defended</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18087</link>
		<dc:creator>Defended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all just sounds controlling to me.  And awful, that an &quot;apostle&quot; was trying to micromanage a guy who is supposed to be mature enough to be entrusted with the care of the flock.  for crying out loud.   I&#039;m so sorry, Irv.  

But yeah, life and living abundantly is the deal outside of sgm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all just sounds controlling to me.  And awful, that an &#8220;apostle&#8221; was trying to micromanage a guy who is supposed to be mature enough to be entrusted with the care of the flock.  for crying out loud.   I&#8217;m so sorry, Irv.  </p>
<p>But yeah, life and living abundantly is the deal outside of sgm.</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/04/26/polity-comments/#comment-18081</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about all those men how seek God out on the Golf Courses on Sunday mornings??
 
Okay Okay, just kidding!
 
I do, however understand Psalm 139 &quot;Where can I hide from Your presence?&quot;
The Office perhaps? (An SGM Office maybe. Where the Holy Spirit has left the building.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about all those men how seek God out on the Golf Courses on Sunday mornings??<br />
 <br />
Okay Okay, just kidding!<br />
 <br />
I do, however understand <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=Psalm+139" class="bibleref" title="NASB Psalm 139">Psalm 139</a> &#8220;Where can I hide from Your presence?&#8221;<br />
The Office perhaps? (An SGM Office maybe. Where the Holy Spirit has left the building.)</p>
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