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		<title>By: Daniel Swet</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-16416</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Swet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 02:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some objective information regarding what is being stated about CLC.  I have been at CLC 12 years and for personal (High Functioning Autism and allergy, not fault of CLC) reasons need to move to another church.  My CLC pastor humbly and gently encouraged me that I should overcome my desire to stay at CLC, and move on to another church. 

 I am 56, saved over 35 years, have High Functioning Autism which disposes me to hypersensitivity to pride in others, and have been in many kinds of churches (untraditional and more traditional) - and I have only been in one other church with a pastor whose humility I perceived to be deeper than the humility I perceive in the CLC pastors I know best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some objective information regarding what is being stated about CLC.  I have been at CLC 12 years and for personal (High Functioning Autism and allergy, not fault of CLC) reasons need to move to another church.  My CLC pastor humbly and gently encouraged me that I should overcome my desire to stay at CLC, and move on to another church. </p>
<p> I am 56, saved over 35 years, have High Functioning Autism which disposes me to hypersensitivity to pride in others, and have been in many kinds of churches (untraditional and more traditional) &#8211; and I have only been in one other church with a pastor whose humility I perceived to be deeper than the humility I perceive in the CLC pastors I know best.</p>
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		<title>By: The Quizzler</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15303</link>
		<dc:creator>The Quizzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellie...............
Why do you assume that Quizzler is a &quot;he&quot;?


N.S.L.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellie&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Why do you assume that Quizzler is a &#8220;he&#8221;?</p>
<p>N.S.L.B.</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15301</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 07:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the good intentions question..............
It&#039;s late, I&#039;m having trouble here.
Where was that road going? That was paved with good intentions?
Hillsdale?  No.
Hampton?  Not that one.
Starts with &quot;H&quot;. Hmmm.
Not Heaven. Nope.
 
Somebody help me here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the good intentions question&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
It&#8217;s late, I&#8217;m having trouble here.<br />
Where was that road going? That was paved with good intentions?<br />
Hillsdale?  No.<br />
Hampton?  Not that one.<br />
Starts with &#8220;H&#8221;. Hmmm.<br />
Not Heaven. Nope.<br />
 <br />
Somebody help me here.<br />
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15300</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Guys,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No one is happy about this. If I didn&#039;t tell you about it, you wouldn&#039;t know it happened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Could we please drop it? One guy screwed up. Everyone has kissed and made up. The actions of everyone involved had nothing to do with the blog.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,</p>
<p>No one is happy about this. If I didn&#8217;t tell you about it, you wouldn&#8217;t know it happened.</p>
<p>Could we please drop it? One guy screwed up. Everyone has kissed and made up. The actions of everyone involved had nothing to do with the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: WalkingWounded</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15299</link>
		<dc:creator>WalkingWounded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see a reason for &quot;elders&quot; or  Administrators in the body of Christ to have a non-disclosure agreement in-hand for sending to anyone in relation to the church.  What is it they don&#039;t want disclosed?

Let&#039;s ask a SGM question about it - Is it &lt;em&gt;biblical&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see a reason for &#8220;elders&#8221; or  Administrators in the body of Christ to have a non-disclosure agreement in-hand for sending to anyone in relation to the church.  What is it they don&#8217;t want disclosed?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s ask a SGM question about it &#8211; Is it <em>biblical</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15298</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....NOT saying a word.
(Quizzler said it for me in his B) question.) :D
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm&#8230;.NOT saying a word.<br />
(Quizzler said it for me in his B) question.) <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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		<title>By: The Quizzler</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15297</link>
		<dc:creator>The Quizzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim &lt;a href=&quot;//sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/comment-page-7/#comment-15291&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;.....&quot;I received a call from a SGM pastor today, who told me that an administrator had sent the document in error, and without pastoral input. As soon as the pastors involved found out about the document, they told the pastor who had received it to “tear it up-you don’t have to sign anything.”&quot;

&lt;/em&gt;Quizzler wonders...........
A) would an administrator send any legally binding document such as a non-disclosure agreement &lt;strong&gt;without pastoral approval&lt;/strong&gt;?
B) why would the administrator &lt;strong&gt;even have such a document&lt;/strong&gt; if it were not part of the SOP for departing pastors?
C) was the official retraction due to &lt;strong&gt;exposure on this blog&lt;/strong&gt;?

suggested answers: 
A) no
B) he wouldn&#039;t
C) I hope so

N.S.L.B
N.P.L.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim <a href="//sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/comment-page-7/#comment-15291" rel="nofollow">said</a><em>&#8230;..&#8221;I received a call from a SGM pastor today, who told me that an administrator had sent the document in error, and without pastoral input. As soon as the pastors involved found out about the document, they told the pastor who had received it to “tear it up-you don’t have to sign anything.”&#8221;</p>
<p></em>Quizzler wonders&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
A) would an administrator send any legally binding document such as a non-disclosure agreement <strong>without pastoral approval</strong>?<br />
B) why would the administrator <strong>even have such a document</strong> if it were not part of the SOP for departing pastors?<br />
C) was the official retraction due to <strong>exposure on this blog</strong>?</p>
<p>suggested answers:<br />
A) no<br />
B) he wouldn&#8217;t<br />
C) I hope so</p>
<p>N.S.L.B<br />
N.P.L.B.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15291</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really blew it this week. Someone made a comment, which said something like, &quot;I wonder if ex pastors are paid to be quiet&quot;. I responded that I knew of one ex pastor who was offered a non disclosure to sign, which was tied to his severance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found out the rest of the story today, and have deleted my original comment, along with the comments that responded to what I wrote.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I received a call from a SGM pastor today, who told me that an administrator had sent the document in error, and without pastoral input. As soon as the pastors involved found out about the document, they told the pastor who had received it to &quot;tear it up-you don&#039;t have to sign anything.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I called the pastor who had received the document, and he confirmed the account. I am told by leaders in SGM who I believe that no one has ever been asked to sign a non disclosure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I deeply regret that I said anything about this, as I did not have the whole story. An administrator screwed up. This is not how SGM does things. End of story.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would ask all involved parties, along with the readers here to please forgive me. I am so very sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any questions, please send me a note, as I don&#039;t want this to have any more attention than it has already had.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really blew it this week. Someone made a comment, which said something like, &#8220;I wonder if ex pastors are paid to be quiet&#8221;. I responded that I knew of one ex pastor who was offered a non disclosure to sign, which was tied to his severance.</p>
<p>I found out the rest of the story today, and have deleted my original comment, along with the comments that responded to what I wrote.</p>
<p>I received a call from a SGM pastor today, who told me that an administrator had sent the document in error, and without pastoral input. As soon as the pastors involved found out about the document, they told the pastor who had received it to &#8220;tear it up-you don&#8217;t have to sign anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>I called the pastor who had received the document, and he confirmed the account. I am told by leaders in SGM who I believe that no one has ever been asked to sign a non disclosure.</p>
<p>I deeply regret that I said anything about this, as I did not have the whole story. An administrator screwed up. This is not how SGM does things. End of story.</p>
<p>I would ask all involved parties, along with the readers here to please forgive me. I am so very sorry.</p>
<p>Any questions, please send me a note, as I don&#8217;t want this to have any more attention than it has already had.</p>
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		<title>By: musicman</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15286</link>
		<dc:creator>musicman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, good intentions do not make it right...Jesus didn&#039;t say judge  a tree by its good or bad intentions, sorry-but you can&#039;t equate fruit with intentions...

I&#039;m not saying that it&#039;s wrong to try and clarify something,  but often times people will avoid the damge their actions have done by claiming nothing but the best of intentions... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, good intentions do not make it right&#8230;Jesus didn&#8217;t say judge  a tree by its good or bad intentions, sorry-but you can&#8217;t equate fruit with intentions&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that it&#8217;s wrong to try and clarify something,  but often times people will avoid the damge their actions have done by claiming nothing but the best of intentions&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15281</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John -

That statement rang many bells with me; &quot;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Sent by Danny to clarify ... what their intentions were&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&quot;.

Since SGM realised how angry I was post-disfellowshipping I had emails telling me; &quot;I had misunderstood their intentions&quot;.  Furthermore my parents frequently would tell me that what they did was okay &quot;because they had good intentions&quot;.   Good intentions = make it right??

Lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John -</p>
<p>That statement rang many bells with me; &#8220;<em><strong>Sent by Danny to clarify &#8230; what their intentions were</strong></em>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Since SGM realised how angry I was post-disfellowshipping I had emails telling me; &#8220;I had misunderstood their intentions&#8221;.  Furthermore my parents frequently would tell me that what they did was okay &#8220;because they had good intentions&#8221;.   Good intentions = make it right??</p>
<p>Lol!</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15246</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30, you keep saying you&#039;re not experiencing any sickness, did you know that serious life threatening illnesses can go undiagnosed until too late?  As the colon cancer commercial states truthfully, not knowing is not the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30, you keep saying you&#8217;re not experiencing any sickness, did you know that serious life threatening illnesses can go undiagnosed until too late?  As the colon cancer commercial states truthfully, not knowing is not the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15220</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheifonepac--- I do not know how Todd and his family are doing. I do know they have been surrounded by those who love them and did not agree with how his leaving was handled. I also have it on good authority that i am on the list of people he is planning to call. he is currently busy finishing up his duties at Metro until Feb 1st, plus he has been inundated with phone calls and emails!!! There is an email that was sent by Danny to clarify what happened and what their intentions were, I believe it may be posted somewhere. Taking that email with a grain of salt!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheifonepac&#8212; I do not know how Todd and his family are doing. I do know they have been surrounded by those who love them and did not agree with how his leaving was handled. I also have it on good authority that i am on the list of people he is planning to call. he is currently busy finishing up his duties at Metro until Feb 1st, plus he has been inundated with phone calls and emails!!! There is an email that was sent by Danny to clarify what happened and what their intentions were, I believe it may be posted somewhere. Taking that email with a grain of salt!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15218</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 03:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sovereign Grace ministries hurts christians.

There is a difference between your perfect definition of gossip and slander, and your lofty judgements and near criminal behavior.  Please read Mathew 26...You have no idea.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sovereign Grace ministries hurts christians.</p>
<p>There is a difference between your perfect definition of gossip and slander, and your lofty judgements and near criminal behavior.  Please read Mathew 26&#8230;You have no idea.  </p>
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		<title>By: Cheifonepac</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15217</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheifonepac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Do you have any idea how Todd and his family are doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Do you have any idea how Todd and his family are doing?</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15216</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canary--thank you. 
Jim, I know how busy you are and if it is possible for me to help i will try, though i really didn&#039;t want to be drawn back into the drama that is SGM, i have friends who have had their eyes opened in a brutal way. Just want to be available to help them heal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canary&#8211;thank you.<br />
Jim, I know how busy you are and if it is possible for me to help i will try, though i really didn&#8217;t want to be drawn back into the drama that is SGM, i have friends who have had their eyes opened in a brutal way. Just want to be available to help them heal.</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15215</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt; I am not interested in any arguments, just making myself to those who are confused, hurt, angry over the recent events at Metro.

&lt;/em&gt;John Galt, you have a good heart.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em> I am not interested in any arguments, just making myself to those who are confused, hurt, angry over the recent events at Metro.</p>
<p></em>John Galt, you have a good heart.  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t get Canary table flippin&#039;...  :-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John-thank you. I wish I had the time to give this blog the attention it deserves, but I don&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get Canary table flippin&#8217;&#8230;  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>John-thank you. I wish I had the time to give this blog the attention it deserves, but I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15213</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings to all!! Taking Jim&#039;s advice i have created a gmail account for those from Metro who would like to contact me about my leaving and the reasons why, etc. that email address is &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:jggalaxytrek@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;jggalaxytrek@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;. I am not interested in any arguments, just making myself to those who are confused, hurt, angry over the recent events at Metro. i understand and am making myself availalble to walk alongside as the Lord helps you through this experience!!! Sorry, it is not exclusice to Metro folks. anyone is welcome to email me. Just that most of my knowledge is from that particular fellowship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings to all!! Taking Jim&#8217;s advice i have created a gmail account for those from Metro who would like to contact me about my leaving and the reasons why, etc. that email address is <a href="mailto:jggalaxytrek@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">jggalaxytrek@gmail.com</a>. I am not interested in any arguments, just making myself to those who are confused, hurt, angry over the recent events at Metro. i understand and am making myself availalble to walk alongside as the Lord helps you through this experience!!! Sorry, it is not exclusice to Metro folks. anyone is welcome to email me. Just that most of my knowledge is from that particular fellowship.</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15212</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

Yeah, that comment made me want to go flip some tables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Yeah, that comment made me want to go flip some tables.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2010/01/09/metro-life-church/#comment-15211</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is no use trying to convince 30 years of anything. This tree has been danced around before.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This &quot;blame the accuser/protect the accused&quot; statement says it all:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;Is it possible that the person in your example really was arrogant, rebellious, and prideful in a way that required immediate attention? Maybe the pastor responded the way God intended him to respond.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no use trying to convince 30 years of anything. This tree has been danced around before.</p>
<p>This &#8220;blame the accuser/protect the accused&#8221; statement says it all:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Is it possible that the person in your example really was arrogant, rebellious, and prideful in a way that required immediate attention? Maybe the pastor responded the way God intended him to respond.&#8221;</em></p>
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