Comments on: Peacemaker Conference Announcement http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/ a safe haven Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:08:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Beloved of God http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-13431 Beloved of God Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:03:22 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-13431 Charlie, I am so sorry to hear that.  Yes, Christ is the solid rock, all other ground is sinking sand. _ Newlywndd, I am so very, very sorry.  May God bring you His Spirit and faithful, Christian friends to bear you up and bring you grace and peace, strength, and <strong>ongoing</strong> miracles of healing. Oh God, please bind up the wounds of your people, and those who are not your people, brought by those in SGM and other such groups.  Open blind eyes, set the captives free, bring the dead bones to life!  <strong>Dead bones -- LIVE!!!</strong> And please depose abusive and error-fraught leaders and fight against the teachings that bring misery, bondage and death.  Root out the terrible error and twisted teachings and bring life-giving health-filled teachings to all.  Be mighty in battle, we ask in Jesus' mighty name! I experienced pretty much the same thing in the North Denver church.  SGM <strong>officially</strong> preaches Matthew 18 and Peacemakers'/biblical principles of conflict resolution, but their <strong>practice</strong> was of a <strong>TERRIBLY</strong> abusive and dysfunctional family.  <cite></cite> Charlie, I am so sorry to hear that.  Yes, Christ is the solid rock, all other ground is sinking sand.
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Newlywndd, I am so very, very sorry.  May God bring you His Spirit and faithful, Christian friends to bear you up and bring you grace and peace, strength, and ongoing miracles of healing.
Oh God, please bind up the wounds of your people, and those who are not your people, brought by those in SGM and other such groups.  Open blind eyes, set the captives free, bring the dead bones to life!  Dead bones — LIVE!!! And please depose abusive and error-fraught leaders and fight against the teachings that bring misery, bondage and death.  Root out the terrible error and twisted teachings and bring life-giving health-filled teachings to all.  Be mighty in battle, we ask in Jesus’ mighty name!
I experienced pretty much the same thing in the North Denver church.  SGM officially preaches Matthew 18 and Peacemakers’/biblical principles of conflict resolution, but their practice was of a TERRIBLY abusive and dysfunctional family. 

]]> By: newlywndd http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-13426 newlywndd Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:55:39 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-13426 Beloved of God: We share a similar experience in that I also tried to do the PM/Mt 18 process. I suggested Mt 18 to the area apostle; he agreed that that was the route to follow and the accusers were instructed as such; the accusers convinced the area apostle that the situation we were involved in was NOT Mt 18-appropriate. The process of conflict resolution fell apart. And I have most of the back-and-forth saved in email. The area apostle, local pastor, and local leadership seemed either (a) uninformed about PM and Mt 18; (b) unwilling to follow Mt 18; (c) or a combination of (a) and (b). Sad. Our confidence must not be in men or organizations. We must trust in the Lord our God. Beloved of God:
We share a similar experience in that I also tried to do the PM/Mt 18 process. I suggested Mt 18 to the area apostle; he agreed that that was the route to follow and the accusers were instructed as such; the accusers convinced the area apostle that the situation we were involved in was NOT Mt 18-appropriate. The process of conflict resolution fell apart. And I have most of the back-and-forth saved in email.

The area apostle, local pastor, and local leadership seemed either (a) uninformed about PM and Mt 18; (b) unwilling to follow Mt 18; (c) or a combination of (a) and (b). Sad.

Our confidence must not be in men or organizations. We must trust in the Lord our God.

]]> By: charlie http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-13425 charlie Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:35:54 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-13425 Beloved of God, That you are. I am aware of someone who also contacted Peacemakers Ministry for horrible stories with hugh pastorial discrepancies and differences that hurt many..... Um...they did nothing. As weak as I am spiritually, I am learning not to trust organizations... I am very sorry for what happened to you and your family. Beloved of God,

That you are. I am aware of someone who also contacted Peacemakers Ministry for horrible stories with hugh pastorial discrepancies and differences that hurt many…..

Um…they did nothing. As weak as I am spiritually, I am learning not to trust organizations…

I am very sorry for what happened to you and your family.

]]> By: Beloved of God http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-13423 Beloved of God Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:08:30 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-13423 I posted several entries on the Peacemaker blog on their "Praising All Things CJ" and "Praising All Things SGM" pages when Noel's story went public. I stated that I had been in SGM, that my family and I had barely made it out of SGM alive, that I was giving<strong> first-hand</strong> accounts of what had happened to my family. I gave the barest thumbnails of what had happened, but I gave them as <strong>first-hand</strong> accounts, and said that the pastors had abused me repeatedly and had not done Matthew 18. Folks, I had a story very similar to "Esther" from Chesapeake. I linked to SGMSurvivors and here. All my several posts on Peacemaker's blog were pulled, with no response from them.  None.  Zip. There's something so very wrong about my experience with the Peacemakers blog. If this had been in business, I would wonder how much Peacemakers' stock was owned by SGM. I know Peacemakers has said online since then that their blog isn't the place, but they didn't lift one finger to help, either.  Also, they did <strong>nothing</strong> when I had said (and <strong>many</strong> others have posted) that they had <strong>tried</strong> to go through Matthew 18 within SGM, but SGM didn't play by those rules at all.             I posted several entries on the Peacemaker blog on their “Praising All Things CJ” and “Praising All Things SGM” pages when Noel’s story went public.
I stated that I had been in SGM, that my family and I had barely made it out of SGM alive, that I was giving first-hand accounts of what had happened to my family.
I gave the barest thumbnails of what had happened, but I gave them as first-hand accounts, and said that the pastors had abused me repeatedly and had not done Matthew 18.
Folks, I had a story very similar to “Esther” from Chesapeake.
I linked to SGMSurvivors and here.
All my several posts on Peacemaker’s blog were pulled, with no response from them.  None.  Zip.
There’s something so very wrong about my experience with the Peacemakers blog.
If this had been in business, I would wonder how much Peacemakers’ stock was owned by SGM.
I know Peacemakers has said online since then that their blog isn’t the place, but they didn’t lift one finger to help, either.  Also, they did nothing when I had said (and many others have posted) that they had tried to go through Matthew 18 within SGM, but SGM didn’t play by those rules at all.
 
 
 
 
 
 

]]> By: keepinstep http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12216 keepinstep Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:35:50 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12216 Seeking the Face of God is the one I'm more familiar with, having highlighted nearly every page and wept while reading it. It was one of several books the Holy Spirit led me to, when CLC pastors were being uncooperative at helping me go deeper in my walk with God -- rather than just hunt-down and get depressed over sin. Thomas had walked my walk with God, just a few years before me. Regarding the marriage book - I realized a few years into marriage that it, and raising children, were intended by God as a fast-track to maturity in Christ -- if one is paying attention, that is. So glad you benefited from it, as well. Seeking the Face of God is the one I’m more familiar with, having highlighted nearly every page and wept while reading it. It was one of several books the Holy Spirit led me to, when CLC pastors were being uncooperative at helping me go deeper in my walk with God — rather than just hunt-down and get depressed over sin. Thomas had walked my walk with God, just a few years before me.

Regarding the marriage book – I realized a few years into marriage that it, and raising children, were intended by God as a fast-track to maturity in Christ — if one is paying attention, that is. So glad you benefited from it, as well.

]]> By: Paul http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12214 Paul Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:10:35 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12214 Keep in step. I agree on the Thomas comment - how about the Subtitle of the book? "What if God designed Marriage to make us Holy and not Happy?" We went through the book as a homegroup. One week we were having outrageous conflict while doing chapter 5 or 6, and it never got settled before we got to homegroup. As our homegroup leader started asking questions a silence descended on the room. No one spoke, and he finally said, "Besides my wife and I, did anyone else have any conflict while doing this chapter?" The room broke out into laughter because we were all guilty. He also wrote another fantastic book, "Seeking the Face of God" Keep in step. I agree on the Thomas comment – how about the Subtitle of the book? “What if God designed Marriage to make us Holy and not Happy?”
We went through the book as a homegroup. One week we were having outrageous conflict while doing chapter 5 or 6, and it never got settled before we got to homegroup. As our homegroup leader started asking questions a silence descended on the room. No one spoke, and he finally said, “Besides my wife and I, did anyone else have any conflict while doing this chapter?” The room broke out into laughter because we were all guilty. He also wrote another fantastic book, “Seeking the Face of God”

]]> By: keepinstep http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12212 keepinstep Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:57:14 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12212 Gary Thomas rocks. Gary Thomas rocks.

]]> By: Paul http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12210 Paul Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:10:36 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12210 My wife and I were on the edge of divorce when we sat through Dave Harvey's message, When Sinner's Say "I DO". She had placed our marriage up as an Idol and since I was not the perfect Christian husband, her faith was shaken. She learned through Dave Harvey that only God was to be on the throne in her heart, and that husbands would fail, people would fail, it is only God who will never fail us. If we base our walk on how our marriage, job, etc are going then we have replaced the worship of God with the worship of an Idol. We listen to it at least once a year, stopping it at places to talk with each other about areas where we are not loving each other. A perfect companion to "When Sinners Say 'I Do'" is "Sacred Marriage" by Gary Thomas. We celebrated our 23rd anniversary in June and plan on revisiting these two tools until one of us is no longer around. My wife and I were on the edge of divorce when we sat through Dave Harvey’s message, When Sinner’s Say “I DO”.
She had placed our marriage up as an Idol and since I was not the perfect Christian husband, her faith was shaken. She learned through Dave Harvey that only God was to be on the throne in her heart, and that husbands would fail, people would fail, it is only God who will never fail us. If we base our walk on how our marriage, job, etc are going then we have replaced the worship of God with the worship of an Idol.
We listen to it at least once a year, stopping it at places to talk with each other about areas where we are not loving each other.
A perfect companion to “When Sinners Say ‘I Do’” is “Sacred Marriage” by Gary Thomas. We celebrated our 23rd anniversary in June and plan on revisiting these two tools until one of us is no longer around.

]]> By: John Galt http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12063 John Galt Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:29:08 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12063 Hey- That was a good clarification. Sorry i misread your intent!! Still looking for that Constiututional Republic myself. Maybe we should start one!!!! Hey- That was a good clarification. Sorry i misread your intent!!
Still looking for that Constiututional Republic myself. Maybe we should start one!!!!

]]> By: Hey http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12062 Hey Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:49:07 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12062 I guess the difference I see it that is that it is quite easy to walk away from a church and never attend another, thus removing religious control altogether. Leaving a government will force you to choose another one to live within.  Know of any recent Constitutional Republics forming lately? I can think of many instances in history, and current situations in which the only out from governmental control is death.  I guess I don't consider that as a viable option, although Patrick Henry did.  I didn't say it was impossible, only "not so easy" as religion (at least in this country where they are currently separated). I guess the difference I see it that is that it is quite easy to walk away from a church and never attend another, thus removing religious control altogether. Leaving a government will force you to choose another one to live within.  Know of any recent Constitutional Republics forming lately?

I can think of many instances in history, and current situations in which the only out from governmental control is death.  I guess I don’t consider that as a viable option, although Patrick Henry did.  I didn’t say it was impossible, only “not so easy” as religion (at least in this country where they are currently separated).

]]> By: John Galt http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12060 John Galt Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:49:04 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12060 Hey- appreciate the comment. Actually, the word religion wasn't used in Atlas Shrugged, she used the word mysticism and if you read the use of the word in context it is clear that she was talking about religion. this would be confirmed by he rpersonal writings as well. One can always escape a government. What are you willing to do to be free of those who control you???? Hey-
appreciate the comment. Actually, the word religion wasn’t used in Atlas Shrugged, she used the word mysticism and if you read the use of the word in context it is clear that she was talking about religion. this would be confirmed by he rpersonal writings as well.
One can always escape a government. What are you willing to do to be free of those who control you????

]]> By: Hey http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12059 Hey Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:29:55 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12059 Yes, I read the book, but I disagree with you in a sense.  You are adding "religion", which was never a part of the book, and no religious organization in this country can compare to how our government can control us.  We can easily leave the "church", not so easy with the government. Yes, I read the book, but I disagree with you in a sense.  You are adding “religion”, which was never a part of the book, and no religious organization in this country can compare to how our government can control us.  We can easily leave the “church”, not so easy with the government.

]]> By: John Galt http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12056 John Galt Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:18:43 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12056 Hey- John Galt- a man who desires freedom instead of the bondage of those who would try to control your life by govenment or by mysticism (religion). Hey-
John Galt- a man who desires freedom instead of the bondage of those who would try to control your life by govenment or by mysticism (religion).

]]> By: Hey http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12055 Hey Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:13:49 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12055 Who is John Galt? Who is John Galt?

]]> By: musicman http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12045 musicman Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:03:49 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12045 Thanks for the info-I'll check it out... Thanks for the info-I’ll check it out…

]]> By: SGMsingle http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12041 SGMsingle Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:31:42 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12041 Musicman, It appears Luce speaks at events of Every Nation (MCM's successor) and EN sends teens to Luce's events. See these links:<a href="http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/27370.html?1178509725" rel="nofollow"> http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/27370.html?1178509725</a> <a href="http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=6461" rel="nofollow">http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=6461</a> Musicman,

It appears Luce speaks at events of Every Nation (MCM’s successor) and EN sends teens to Luce’s events. See these links:

http://www.factnet.org/discus/.....1178509725

http://www.factnet.org/vbforum.....php?t=6461

]]> By: musicman http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12040 musicman Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:47:14 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12040 Ron Luce heads up the youth conference called Aquire the Fire, just to clarify who I mean... Ron Luce heads up the youth conference called Aquire the Fire, just to clarify who I mean…

]]> By: musicman http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12039 musicman Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:46:33 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12039 Is Ron Luce connected to MCM or SGM/PDI in any way?  I heard him speak and he used th"green beret" phrase quite abit....just wondering? Is Ron Luce connected to MCM or SGM/PDI in any way?  I heard him speak and he used th”green beret” phrase quite abit….just wondering?

]]> By: Steve240 http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12038 Steve240 Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:32:10 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12038 John I am sure Jim can share some links.  I believe on blog critical of what is going on in Calvary Chapel is Phoenix Preacher. John

I am sure Jim can share some links.  I believe on blog critical of what is going on in Calvary Chapel is Phoenix Preacher.

]]> By: John Galt http://sgmrefuge.com/2009/07/10/peacemaker-conference-announcement/#comment-12035 John Galt Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:01:41 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=281#comment-12035 Steve240 Is there information on the internet about Calvary Chapel and Chuck Smith??? Steve240

Is there information on the internet about Calvary Chapel and Chuck Smith???

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