I was hoping that Turnerash would define victim whimping as it was him/her that used the term above.  Looks like Quizzler needs to do some homework on this interesting term. 

N.S.L.B.

I have a hangerin’ for a good Shut up!!! with a side of get over it.

Make mine to go, please…

I will choose (F).  I would also add that Turnerash came across with the same treatment some of us received from SGM, though perhaps not quite so rude.  Who knows, perhaps we are threatening his own position over the sheep he claims to pastor, and who might be reading the Refuge.  Leaders, at least in SGM, have no job security anymore.  The truth is coming to light through this blog, and those who aren’t truly in the job of loving and caring for all their sheep (and they know who they are) have to look over their shoulder for any signs of a shanking.  That’s gotta be a bit uncomfortable.

I was wondering how, as a pastor, you could be following the example of our good and great Shepherd Jesus and write what you just wrote on this blog?

“He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not” (Isa. 53:3).

“16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18 ‘The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.’ 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21 and he began by saying to them, ‘Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.’ 22 All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips.” (Luke 4:16-22a).

“A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory” (Mt. 12:20).

“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ ” (Mt. 25:40).

Which of the following doctrines appear to be part of Turnerash’s faith?

A) The doctrine of shut up
B) The doctrine of get over it
C) The doctrine of just stop it
D) The doctrine of I am nauseated
E) The doctrine of Sheep, grow up
F) All of the above

……..and for extra credit, define “victim whimping ”

N.S.L.B.

I imagine things would have gone for the worse at the Chesapeake Church had SGM Leadership not had this and other blogs reporting what was happening.  That is I am saying that with these blogs the actions of SGM Leadership is more in the spotlight.  They can’t do things that they use to do without them possibly being reported on these blogs.  Thus SGM Leadership is being more cautious. 

Thus I see quite a good purpose these blogs serve. 

Perhaps Brett Detweiler wouldn’t have stepped down and resigned if it weren’t for these blogs.

Although we disagree, I love you, Pastor Turnerash, with the love Jesus has for His church, His bride.

You just puked on my blog because you saw something that made you sick.

Now you know why people post here.

and yes, welcome to the refuge, glad to have your voice here..

Welcome to the blog.  I love your comment about the clergy/laity thing.  Don’t get us started, either! 

I totally see your point.  “Elders” should be older, experienced believers who’ve been around the block once or twice.  I believe that some of the errors we followed in child training came from inexperienced SGM parents (leaders) who had yet to finish raising their children.  Also, putting young men in their twenties in as Pastors or assistant pastors seems a little too much.  They have yet to have any life experience, even if they did attend nine months of SGM pastor’s college (with little education elsewhere, for some of them).  I’ve been on this blog for a while, and have read so many stories of wounded people who went through terrible things that could have been avoided if the leader involved had been more of an “Elder”.  Of course, there is the lack-of-love issue.  Don’t get ME started on that! 

Again Mack, welcome to the Refuge.  I hope you have had time to take a peek at PK’s two main posts on church polity.  Very enlightening!

The last one from this SGC was in 2005, in which the categories were combined.

I have no idea what the standard is in SGM, and I don’t want to paint his issue with a broad brush. If anything, it would appear that SGCs do indeed list these line items separately.

So I apologize for misspeaking due to my own laziness, and ask that y’all would forgive me.

Esther was not at the meeting because she is no longer a member and was not invited.  Her oldest daughter was there though.  The pastors would say that they had already confessed and “repented” to Esther at an earlier meeting.