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	<title>Comments on: Gene Emerson</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I moved the KingsWay family meeting comments &lt;a href=&quot;../../../../../2010/08/16/the-kingsway-way/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved the KingsWay family meeting comments <a href="../../../../../2010/08/16/the-kingsway-way/" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Waters</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20366</link>
		<dc:creator>Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gratefully,  No we didnot attend Kingsway but were in Chesapeake. We knew some people there, back 10-15 years ago. And too much horrible stuff to write about publically.
Appreciate your statement &quot;under the surface is where reality lies&quot; ---so true--- and sgm has had their corporate way of maintaining the status quo. Promising transparency and accountability --- while ruling in a way that edges out Holy Spirit---which then edges out discernment and sensitivity to people----which then results in heavy-handed authority,wounding, etc etc. From our perspective, corporate sgm is on a road of &quot;resolution&quot; in some cases-   WHILE at the same time maintaining their polity structure which CAUSES fractured imploding churches and mauled people.--------Hmmmm --- 
I wonder when they&#039;ll get it that many of their people are angry and disgusted with their unChristlike structure and pastoral/elder destructive authority??

CO--- Thankyou for sharing news of the meeting.  I&#039;m sure there is much to process.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gratefully,  No we didnot attend Kingsway but were in Chesapeake. We knew some people there, back 10-15 years ago. And too much horrible stuff to write about publically.<br />
Appreciate your statement &#8220;under the surface is where reality lies&#8221; &#8212;so true&#8212; and sgm has had their corporate way of maintaining the status quo. Promising transparency and accountability &#8212; while ruling in a way that edges out Holy Spirit&#8212;which then edges out discernment and sensitivity to people&#8212;-which then results in heavy-handed authority,wounding, etc etc. From our perspective, corporate sgm is on a road of &#8220;resolution&#8221; in some cases-   WHILE at the same time maintaining their polity structure which CAUSES fractured imploding churches and mauled people.&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;Hmmmm &#8212;<br />
I wonder when they&#8217;ll get it that many of their people are angry and disgusted with their unChristlike structure and pastoral/elder destructive authority??</p>
<p>CO&#8212; Thankyou for sharing news of the meeting.  I&#8217;m sure there is much to process&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Fighter</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20359</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Fred, that&#039;s sad new! I&#039;m so thankful for the Chesapeake Vineyard. They saved my life! But I had thought maybe there was reconciliation and restoration going on over at SGC. If there&#039;s anything I can do, please let me know. My email is creativepowerhouse @ gmail.com .
Hang tight, all! God has not been knocked off His throne by ANY of this!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Fred, that&#8217;s sad new! I&#8217;m so thankful for the Chesapeake Vineyard. They saved my life! But I had thought maybe there was reconciliation and restoration going on over at SGC. If there&#8217;s anything I can do, please let me know. My email is creativepowerhouse @ gmail.com .<br />
Hang tight, all! God has not been knocked off His throne by ANY of this!<br />
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		<title>By: Gratefully Disillusioned from SGM</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20357</link>
		<dc:creator>Gratefully Disillusioned from SGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waters, did you attend Kingsway at some point.  If you feel uncomfortable answering that, PLEASE feel free not to.  I totally understand :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waters, did you attend Kingsway at some point.  If you feel uncomfortable answering that, PLEASE feel free not to.  I totally understand <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Waters</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20356</link>
		<dc:creator>Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GDsgm,  yes now I remember you are an &quot;ex&quot; member..... My heart has been heavy in regards to this meeting......as Jim has said, sgm is &quot;digging in their heels&quot; in regards to Polity and pastoral authority--so that just doesn&#039;t give much room for genuinely hearing the people and reform (imo).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GDsgm,  yes now I remember you are an &#8220;ex&#8221; member&#8230;.. My heart has been heavy in regards to this meeting&#8230;&#8230;as Jim has said, sgm is &#8220;digging in their heels&#8221; in regards to Polity and pastoral authority&#8211;so that just doesn&#8217;t give much room for genuinely hearing the people and reform (imo).</p>
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		<title>By: Gratefully Disillusioned from SGM</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20353</link>
		<dc:creator>Gratefully Disillusioned from SGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waters, I haven&#039;t darkened the Kingsway&#039; doors for numerous years now :-)   I too am hoping for some news out of that meeting.   I am not optimistic, however, because administrators and churchmen protect their organizations first.  In my heart of hearts, my suspicions tend to think that the organization is what&#039;s being challenged, and the spin is on.  Thankfully, I can and have been wrong too many times to mention.  Maybe this is one of those times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waters, I haven&#8217;t darkened the Kingsway&#8217; doors for numerous years now <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />    I too am hoping for some news out of that meeting.   I am not optimistic, however, because administrators and churchmen protect their organizations first.  In my heart of hearts, my suspicions tend to think that the organization is what&#8217;s being challenged, and the spin is on.  Thankfully, I can and have been wrong too many times to mention.  Maybe this is one of those times.</p>
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		<title>By: Waters</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20351</link>
		<dc:creator>Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cautiously Optimistic.........Greatfully Disillusioned......Kingsway,

Can you describe the &quot;Family Meeting&quot;???  Question and Answer period?? Truth??
Rabbit trails /deflection.......or straightforward answers?  
Cautiously,what brought you to your above conclusions?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cautiously Optimistic&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Greatfully Disillusioned&#8230;&#8230;Kingsway,</p>
<p>Can you describe the &#8220;Family Meeting&#8221;???  Question and Answer period?? Truth??<br />
Rabbit trails /deflection&#8230;&#8230;.or straightforward answers? <br />
Cautiously,what brought you to your above conclusions?</p>
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		<title>By: Cautiously Optimistic</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20350</link>
		<dc:creator>Cautiously Optimistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. The same leadership structure will produce more bad decisions. Congregational involvement will fade away after a while and they will fall back into the same old patterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. The same leadership structure will produce more bad decisions. Congregational involvement will fade away after a while and they will fall back into the same old patterns.</p>
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		<title>By: Square Peg</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20346</link>
		<dc:creator>Square Peg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cautiously Optimistic -- assuming you attended the KW family meeting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cautiously Optimistic &#8212; assuming you attended the KW family meeting?</p>
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		<title>By: Cautiously Optimistic</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20341</link>
		<dc:creator>Cautiously Optimistic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 05:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me no longer optimistic.</description>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20340</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 03:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom Fighter, sad to say that shunning is still alive and well in Chesapeake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom Fighter, sad to say that shunning is still alive and well in Chesapeake!</p>
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		<title>By: Defender</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20317</link>
		<dc:creator>Defender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 05:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Freedom Fighter.
I am blessed that our story has been a help to you.
I believe that God had taken us through our ordeal so we can be of assistance to others.
I stay engaged here for that reason, to help others.
Bless you!
Defender</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Freedom Fighter.<br />
I am blessed that our story has been a help to you.<br />
I believe that God had taken us through our ordeal so we can be of assistance to others.<br />
I stay engaged here for that reason, to help others.<br />
Bless you!<br />
Defender</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20304</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom Fighter (love that name),

Defender said that if he hadn&#039;t had his &quot;proof&quot; (tapes, notes, etc.) he would sometimes doubt what actually happened because it was so unbelievable!  I&#039;ve met Defended and now understand how she could have sat through her SGM inquisition.  She is one tough lady.  If I&#039;d gone through what she did I&#039;d have been a little puddle of weeping, yellow feathers on the floor.  I have to give her her props for sticking it out so bravely.  Defender is also an inspiration for having faced the lion, so to speak.  We need more saints like this to stand up to controlling leaders who abuse their &quot;authority&quot;.  Time to say, &quot;No more!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom Fighter (love that name),</p>
<p>Defender said that if he hadn&#8217;t had his &#8220;proof&#8221; (tapes, notes, etc.) he would sometimes doubt what actually happened because it was so unbelievable!  I&#8217;ve met Defended and now understand how she could have sat through her SGM inquisition.  She is one tough lady.  If I&#8217;d gone through what she did I&#8217;d have been a little puddle of weeping, yellow feathers on the floor.  I have to give her her props for sticking it out so bravely.  Defender is also an inspiration for having faced the lion, so to speak.  We need more saints like this to stand up to controlling leaders who abuse their &#8220;authority&#8221;.  Time to say, &#8220;No more!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Freedom Fighter</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20303</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom Fighter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I was awaiting a phone call from someone I had &quot;offended&quot; (not even an SGM situation at all, but VERY similar), I decided to pop over to Survivors and read Defender&#039;s story. I now have chills. 

There are so many similarities, details, and such between Defender&#039;s story and my own year and a quarter long ordeal, that I can scarcely believe it. I actually rubbed my eyes in disbelief at what I was reading. I just want to thank you, Defender, for posting your story. You never know when God will use something to minister to someone in difficult circumstances. I hardly expected this when I awoke this morning, stomach churning over my meeting today. Even things like my concern over whether or not it was legally acceptable for me to tape the phone conversation without the other person&#039;s knowledge were answered by reading your story. God wastes nothing; he squeezes use out of every last detail, and often for years to come. So thank you! I don&#039;t know how my situation will resolve itself. I&#039;ve resigned from the board of the organization in question, and I&#039;m much happier now. But my heart is leaping at the idea that God cares so much for me that He would have me sitting here reading your story before going into the fray one last time. I could share more if time, space, and conscience would permit, but it has nothing to do with SGM and wouldn&#039;t provoke reconciliation at all, so I will refrain. God bless you! And thank you again, Defender, especially for the reinforcement of the Matt 18 &quot;one on one&quot; principles!!! As someone who was ambushed at a board meeting filled with PhD&#039;s I heartily concur!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I was awaiting a phone call from someone I had &#8220;offended&#8221; (not even an SGM situation at all, but VERY similar), I decided to pop over to Survivors and read Defender&#8217;s story. I now have chills. </p>
<p>There are so many similarities, details, and such between Defender&#8217;s story and my own year and a quarter long ordeal, that I can scarcely believe it. I actually rubbed my eyes in disbelief at what I was reading. I just want to thank you, Defender, for posting your story. You never know when God will use something to minister to someone in difficult circumstances. I hardly expected this when I awoke this morning, stomach churning over my meeting today. Even things like my concern over whether or not it was legally acceptable for me to tape the phone conversation without the other person&#8217;s knowledge were answered by reading your story. God wastes nothing; he squeezes use out of every last detail, and often for years to come. So thank you! I don&#8217;t know how my situation will resolve itself. I&#8217;ve resigned from the board of the organization in question, and I&#8217;m much happier now. But my heart is leaping at the idea that God cares so much for me that He would have me sitting here reading your story before going into the fray one last time. I could share more if time, space, and conscience would permit, but it has nothing to do with SGM and wouldn&#8217;t provoke reconciliation at all, so I will refrain. God bless you! And thank you again, Defender, especially for the reinforcement of the <a href="http://biblegateway.com/bible?version=49&amp;passage=Matt+18" class="bibleref" title="NASB Matt 18">Matt 18</a> &#8220;one on one&#8221; principles!!! As someone who was ambushed at a board meeting filled with PhD&#8217;s I heartily concur!</p>
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		<title>By: Defended</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20294</link>
		<dc:creator>Defended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true, Stunned.  Guess you could say he thought he was standing &#039;in the stead of God&#039; for that sweet saint.

It&#039;s a mystery what gets a guy fired in sgmville.  And it&#039;s also a mystery how a guy can confess sins in secret mens&#039; meetings and NOT get fired, too (til years later).  Perhaps some sins don&#039;t make in the phone-in confession to the Apostle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true, Stunned.  Guess you could say he thought he was standing &#8216;in the stead of God&#8217; for that sweet saint.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a mystery what gets a guy fired in sgmville.  And it&#8217;s also a mystery how a guy can confess sins in secret mens&#8217; meetings and NOT get fired, too (til years later).  Perhaps some sins don&#8217;t make in the phone-in confession to the Apostle.</p>
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		<title>By: Stunned</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20277</link>
		<dc:creator>Stunned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A man &lt;em&gt;besides&lt;/em&gt;  the one who died for her on the cross is her spiritual authority?!?!?!?  *I&#039;m nearly sputtering in disbelief*  WHAT?!?!?!  

There is ONE man who died for me to wash my sins away.  His name is JC (NOT CJ).  How absolutely terrifying to try to get in God&#039;s way and usurp His position in another person&#039;s life.  Terrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A man <em>besides</em>  the one who died for her on the cross is her spiritual authority?!?!?!?  *I&#8217;m nearly sputtering in disbelief*  WHAT?!?!?!  </p>
<p>There is ONE man who died for me to wash my sins away.  His name is JC (NOT CJ).  How absolutely terrifying to try to get in God&#8217;s way and usurp His position in another person&#8217;s life.  Terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: The Quizzler</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20274</link>
		<dc:creator>The Quizzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Fred&lt;/em&gt;,

Great &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-20254&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; and excellent analysis of the &quot;shanking&quot; phenomena.  

Give yourself an &lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt; and go to the head of the class!


N.S.L.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Fred</em>,</p>
<p>Great <a href="#comment-20254" rel="nofollow">post</a> and excellent analysis of the &#8220;shanking&#8221; phenomena.  </p>
<p>Give yourself an <strong>A</strong> and go to the head of the class!</p>
<p>N.S.L.B.</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20272</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G.D.,

Here is the link at SGM Survivor&#039;s:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=731&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=731&lt;/a&gt;  Hope your and your wife are doing well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G.D.,</p>
<p>Here is the link at SGM Survivor&#8217;s:  <a href="http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=731" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgmsurvivors.com/?p=731</a>  Hope your and your wife are doing well!</p>
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		<title>By: Gratefully Disillusioned from SGM</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20271</link>
		<dc:creator>Gratefully Disillusioned from SGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canary, how can I read Defenders&#039; story?   Do you have a link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canary, how can I read Defenders&#8217; story?   Do you have a link?</p>
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		<title>By: Canary</title>
		<link>http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/12/24/gene-emerson/#comment-20264</link>
		<dc:creator>Canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Defenders&#039; story is a must read.  Defender has even kept records of all that happened.  It is quite shocking to see how these two valiant saints withstood an SGM inquisition. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Defenders&#8217; story is a must read.  Defender has even kept records of all that happened.  It is quite shocking to see how these two valiant saints withstood an SGM inquisition. </p>
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