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	<title>Comments on: MISSIOLOGY Part 3: Wayne Grudem&#8217;s Ministers of Mercy and Dave Harvey&#8217;s Apostles in Authority</title>
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	<description>a haven for castaways, a call for reform</description>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
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		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RT,

Yes!  I finished the book last night - a one day read, because I just couldn&#039;t put it down.  I especially liked the story about the Lamas who heard of &quot;the God who loves&quot;.  They found one verse and put it on their wall but knew nothing more.  So they waited until one of the Lamas brought back a bible.  Then, the Lord led Gladys and her friend to the Lamas.  They let her in, which is a no-no, for women were not allowed.  She preached Jesus to these men.  Later on, the place was bombed by the Japanese and she never knew what happened to the Lamas.

I do think she was a true apostle (little a).  She went out to China with nothing, trusted God to meet her every need, preached the gospel, taught the converts...her passion was to go where ever Christ had not been preached.  Through many dangers and deprivation she entrusted her very life to the Lord, just like the original Apostles.

I have added her to the list of people who have effected my life in a deep way.  Thanks for bringing her up RT and Stunned.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT,</p>
<p>Yes!  I finished the book last night &#8211; a one day read, because I just couldn&#8217;t put it down.  I especially liked the story about the Lamas who heard of &#8220;the God who loves&#8221;.  They found one verse and put it on their wall but knew nothing more.  So they waited until one of the Lamas brought back a bible.  Then, the Lord led Gladys and her friend to the Lamas.  They let her in, which is a no-no, for women were not allowed.  She preached Jesus to these men.  Later on, the place was bombed by the Japanese and she never knew what happened to the Lamas.</p>
<p>I do think she was a true apostle (little a).  She went out to China with nothing, trusted God to meet her every need, preached the gospel, taught the converts&#8230;her passion was to go where ever Christ had not been preached.  Through many dangers and deprivation she entrusted her very life to the Lord, just like the original Apostles.</p>
<p>I have added her to the list of people who have effected my life in a deep way.  Thanks for bringing her up RT and Stunned.  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ReformedTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReformedTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That book changed my life...isn&#039;t she something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That book changed my life&#8230;isn&#8217;t she something?</p>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
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		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading Galdys Alyward&#039;s biography, &quot;The Small Woman&quot;, and I can&#039;t put it down.  What an amazing woman.  She was so full of faith and courage.  She spent so much of her life serving alone, in places we would fear to go.  She actually changed her citizenship to Chinese to become like the people she was serving.  I haven&#039;t read anything so inspiring since Corrie Ten Boom.  

She was a true apostle of the faith.  She went to China, shared the gospel, drew the new converts together to teach them...now that is true church planting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading Galdys Alyward&#8217;s biography, &#8220;The Small Woman&#8221;, and I can&#8217;t put it down.  What an amazing woman.  She was so full of faith and courage.  She spent so much of her life serving alone, in places we would fear to go.  She actually changed her citizenship to Chinese to become like the people she was serving.  I haven&#8217;t read anything so inspiring since Corrie Ten Boom.  </p>
<p>She was a true apostle of the faith.  She went to China, shared the gospel, drew the new converts together to teach them&#8230;now that is true church planting!</p>
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		<title>By: MISSIOLOGY Part 4: Final Thoughts on The True Source of Apostolic Authority</title>
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		<dc:creator>MISSIOLOGY Part 4: Final Thoughts on The True Source of Apostolic Authority</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The church structure, or polity, that SGM claims and exhibits has been examined at this link.  In summation, the best way I know to describe our polity is a hierarchy that wants to call itself a plural eldership.  We have an &#8220;apostolic team&#8221; that has recently re-dubbed itself a &#8220;leadership team.&#8221;  However, in the latest missions video when Josh Harris interviews C.J. Mahaney, C.J. speaks about the &#8220;apostolic team.&#8221;  One can only surmise that the name change was short lived, or simply toyed with and backed up by very little conviction regarding it.  Whatever name changes we&#8217;ve had, this has little to no changes in how our polity operates.  This is discouraging, to say the least.  How this affects our missions is profound, and a partial description of this can be found in this series&#8217; previous post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The church structure, or polity, that SGM claims and exhibits has been examined at this link.  In summation, the best way I know to describe our polity is a hierarchy that wants to call itself a plural eldership.  We have an &#8220;apostolic team&#8221; that has recently re-dubbed itself a &#8220;leadership team.&#8221;  However, in the latest missions video when Josh Harris interviews C.J. Mahaney, C.J. speaks about the &#8220;apostolic team.&#8221;  One can only surmise that the name change was short lived, or simply toyed with and backed up by very little conviction regarding it.  Whatever name changes we&#8217;ve had, this has little to no changes in how our polity operates.  This is discouraging, to say the least.  How this affects our missions is profound, and a partial description of this can be found in this series&#8217; previous post. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back, Jim and Carole!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back, Jim and Carole!  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Protestant Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protestant Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My gravatars rotate like volleyball teams, don&#039;t they?

Jim and Carole, it is wonderful to have you back and I pray God used your vaycay to refresh the both of you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...pk&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gravatars rotate like volleyball teams, don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Jim and Carole, it is wonderful to have you back and I pray God used your vaycay to refresh the both of you.</p>
<p>&#8230;pk</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post comes at a wonderful time.

PK is the new/current major voice here, obviously for good reason. Since he&#039;s come on board, I&#039;ve trashed everything I&#039;ve written on our planned topics because he is-

just-so-much-better-than I. 

I suppose it&#039;s a&lt;em&gt; first among equals&lt;/em&gt; thing.

The beauty is that this topic comes during SGM&#039;s major &quot;missions&quot; fund-raiser month.

SGM&#039;s new strategy of turning &quot;mission Sunday&quot; into three consecutive &quot;missions Sundays&quot; was a bright move on their part.

PK&#039;s posts were brighter. :-)

Thank you, my brother!

PK, do you think it&#039;s possible in the foreseeable future to chose a gravatar and stick with it?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post comes at a wonderful time.</p>
<p>PK is the new/current major voice here, obviously for good reason. Since he&#8217;s come on board, I&#8217;ve trashed everything I&#8217;ve written on our planned topics because he is-</p>
<p>just-so-much-better-than I. </p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s a<em> first among equals</em> thing.</p>
<p>The beauty is that this topic comes during SGM&#8217;s major &#8220;missions&#8221; fund-raiser month.</p>
<p>SGM&#8217;s new strategy of turning &#8220;mission Sunday&#8221; into three consecutive &#8220;missions Sundays&#8221; was a bright move on their part.</p>
<p>PK&#8217;s posts were brighter. <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thank you, my brother!</p>
<p>PK, do you think it&#8217;s possible in the foreseeable future to chose a gravatar and stick with it?  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s clear that we&#039;re back from vacation.

Send your email requests to carole@sgmrefuge.com to see a new gravatar of the tanned and rested Jim &amp; Carole. My smarta** face has received more than enough airtime. :-)


I sat down one morning in august, snapped 3 pics from my web cam, and picked the most jadedly amused/sarcastic-looking of the three.

Go figure....


I&#039;m in sales by trade, but I don&#039;t sell the amazing Carole anything.

That&#039;s your job  :-)

I&#039;m thinking that Ellie, Gracie, and Canary could seal the deal.


She&#039;s worth seeing...

I&#039;m armed, and somewhat dangerous (on a good day), so don&#039;t sweat the whole pic on the internet thing...

I promise to wear a decent shirt this time around :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s clear that we&#8217;re back from vacation.</p>
<p>Send your email requests to <a href="mailto:carole@sgmrefuge.com">carole@sgmrefuge.com</a> to see a new gravatar of the tanned and rested Jim &amp; Carole. My smarta** face has received more than enough airtime. <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I sat down one morning in august, snapped 3 pics from my web cam, and picked the most jadedly amused/sarcastic-looking of the three.</p>
<p>Go figure&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in sales by trade, but I don&#8217;t sell the amazing Carole anything.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s your job  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that Ellie, Gracie, and Canary could seal the deal.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s worth seeing&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m armed, and somewhat dangerous (on a good day), so don&#8217;t sweat the whole pic on the internet thing&#8230;</p>
<p>I promise to wear a decent shirt this time around <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PK, canary, et all-

I banned ombud.

I&#039;ll explain tomorrow-he/she has one chance to come clean.

Let&#039;s not forget our first encounter, when, after being backed into a corner, ombub/fort knox, &lt;em&gt;whateve&lt;/em&gt;r, told us that this was all a game to him/her.

I&#039;ll provide the pertinent link, and ask ombud if &quot;they&quot; want to play fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PK, canary, et all-</p>
<p>I banned ombud.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll explain tomorrow-he/she has one chance to come clean.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget our first encounter, when, after being backed into a corner, ombub/fort knox, <em>whateve</em>r, told us that this was all a game to him/her.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll provide the pertinent link, and ask ombud if &#8220;they&#8221; want to play fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxious,

What a wonderful story of God&#039;s grace!

Maybe you should change your name to Barnabas?  :-)

My heart is full after reading this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxious,</p>
<p>What a wonderful story of God&#8217;s grace!</p>
<p>Maybe you should change your name to Barnabas?  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My heart is full after reading this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RT-your entire post is worth re-quoting.

73K Bibles in two weeks!

I must re-post this portion-

&lt;em&gt;Before he ended, he told a last story:  a young teacher at a school came up to him for a Bible.  He admitted that he had no idea how to become a believer in Jesus.  My friend opened the Word to him, shared the truth of the Gospel with him, and he was saved that day.&lt;/em&gt;

The Great ComMISSION!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT-your entire post is worth re-quoting.</p>
<p>73K Bibles in two weeks!</p>
<p>I must re-post this portion-</p>
<p><em>Before he ended, he told a last story:  a young teacher at a school came up to him for a Bible.  He admitted that he had no idea how to become a believer in Jesus.  My friend opened the Word to him, shared the truth of the Gospel with him, and he was saved that day.</em></p>
<p>The Great ComMISSION!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gracie,

Your observations hit the spot.

Here&#039;s what&#039;s funny-Grudem&#039;s priority is not to move your heart.

He trusts God to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gracie,</p>
<p>Your observations hit the spot.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s funny-Grudem&#8217;s priority is not to move your heart.</p>
<p>He trusts God to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Protestant Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protestant Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RT:

Another amazing story, and GOD BLESS THE GIDEONS!  I was away from home at one time, years ago, far from God... when in a hotel room&#039;s nightstand drawer was the scriptures, courtesy of the Gideons.  It gave me wonderful and lasting comfort that night, a time I would later recall and know it was one of the matches in the fire of my testimony.

Now that&#039;s missions, folks, right here in the U.S. of A.

And then, to hear that this 75 y/o RT speaks of partcipating in a 73k amount of copies of God&#039;s precious scriptures sprinkled in a country other than his own... that&#039;s driving me to my knees in thankfulness, and a sense of being on holy ground in the wake of such a testimony.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;RT you made my month, and perhaps year!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m praying for that imam and those students and that teacher!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Praise God and His magnificent power and glory that can save and call ANYONE out of darkness.

To Christ be the glory!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...pk&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT:</p>
<p>Another amazing story, and GOD BLESS THE GIDEONS!  I was away from home at one time, years ago, far from God&#8230; when in a hotel room&#8217;s nightstand drawer was the scriptures, courtesy of the Gideons.  It gave me wonderful and lasting comfort that night, a time I would later recall and know it was one of the matches in the fire of my testimony.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s missions, folks, right here in the U.S. of A.</p>
<p>And then, to hear that this 75 y/o RT speaks of partcipating in a 73k amount of copies of God&#8217;s precious scriptures sprinkled in a country other than his own&#8230; that&#8217;s driving me to my knees in thankfulness, and a sense of being on holy ground in the wake of such a testimony.</p>
<p>RT you made my month, and perhaps year!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m praying for that imam and those students and that teacher!</p>
<p>Praise God and His magnificent power and glory that can save and call ANYONE out of darkness.</p>
<p>To Christ be the glory!</p>
<p>&#8230;pk</p>
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		<title>By: ReformedTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>ReformedTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxious, what a fabulous story.  We have other friends who have adopted internationally--truly a picture of our adoption in Christ.  Thank you!

Today in worship we had a member who works with the Gideons speak for a few minutes.

He, (75 yo retired Army Colonel), had just come back from a two week trip to Africa, where he was able to distribute, with his other friends, 73,000+ Bibles.  He talked his way into a Muslim school, made friends with the imam, and was allowed to hand out God&#039;s Word to all the students and teachers.

Before he ended, he told a last story:  a young teacher at a school came up to him for a Bible.  He admitted that he had no idea how to become a believer in Jesus.  My friend opened the Word to him, shared the truth of the Gospel with him, and he was saved that day.

I feel so sad when I learn, reading SGM missiology, that these sorts of trips do not bear...what is the term....&lt;em&gt;lasting&lt;/em&gt; fruit?  What a waste of this man&#039;s time and $$$ !!!  I wish we had just waited until one of our pastors could go, instead, and got the local church up and running, first.  God certainly cannot be counted on to provide discipleship for his Bride, can he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxious, what a fabulous story.  We have other friends who have adopted internationally&#8211;truly a picture of our adoption in Christ.  Thank you!</p>
<p>Today in worship we had a member who works with the Gideons speak for a few minutes.</p>
<p>He, (75 yo retired Army Colonel), had just come back from a two week trip to Africa, where he was able to distribute, with his other friends, 73,000+ Bibles.  He talked his way into a Muslim school, made friends with the imam, and was allowed to hand out God&#8217;s Word to all the students and teachers.</p>
<p>Before he ended, he told a last story:  a young teacher at a school came up to him for a Bible.  He admitted that he had no idea how to become a believer in Jesus.  My friend opened the Word to him, shared the truth of the Gospel with him, and he was saved that day.</p>
<p>I feel so sad when I learn, reading SGM missiology, that these sorts of trips do not bear&#8230;what is the term&#8230;.<em>lasting</em> fruit?  What a waste of this man&#8217;s time and $$$ !!!  I wish we had just waited until one of our pastors could go, instead, and got the local church up and running, first.  God certainly cannot be counted on to provide discipleship for his Bride, can he?</p>
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		<title>By: canary</title>
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		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;This is not the church, by any stretch of the imagination, and it needs to stop.&quot;

&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Amen to that, PK! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>&#8220;This is not the church, by any stretch of the imagination, and it needs to stop.&#8221;</p>
<p></em></strong>Amen to that, PK! </p>
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		<title>By: Protestant Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protestant Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gracie:

Great comments above, especially this:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;With Harvey’s, I understand what he is saying, but it seems so much more complicated, with too many bullet points and outlines to remember, unless you are an apostle and have the gifting to sort it all out.  If I were still a SGM member in good standing,  Harvey’s missiology would actually discourage me from wanting to be involved in the SGM version of missions, as I might screw it up, not that I would be allowed to participate anyway.  It’s just another area where I need to trust the leadership to know what’s best and not worry myself about such hard things.  Yikes.&quot;
&lt;/em&gt;
That&#039;s my primary concern, I believe above everything else: this obsession with doing the &lt;em&gt;formula&lt;/em&gt; correctly, even if you happen to make it into the elite club.

This is not the church, by any stretch of the imagination, and it needs to stop.

thanks again,

...pk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gracie:</p>
<p>Great comments above, especially this:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;With Harvey’s, I understand what he is saying, but it seems so much more complicated, with too many bullet points and outlines to remember, unless you are an apostle and have the gifting to sort it all out.  If I were still a SGM member in good standing,  Harvey’s missiology would actually discourage me from wanting to be involved in the SGM version of missions, as I might screw it up, not that I would be allowed to participate anyway.  It’s just another area where I need to trust the leadership to know what’s best and not worry myself about such hard things.  Yikes.&#8221;<br />
</em><br />
That&#8217;s my primary concern, I believe above everything else: this obsession with doing the <em>formula</em> correctly, even if you happen to make it into the elite club.</p>
<p>This is not the church, by any stretch of the imagination, and it needs to stop.</p>
<p>thanks again,</p>
<p>&#8230;pk</p>
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		<title>By: Gracie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Anxious.  That was a beautiful story.  Once again, I&#039;m provoked.  
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Anxious.  That was a beautiful story.  Once again, I&#8217;m provoked. <br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stunned</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxious,

My dear sister, thank you for sharing that story.  I&#039;d say I want to be like that woman when I grow up, but I haven&#039;t the courage.  (Yet.)

Stunned
and impressed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxious,</p>
<p>My dear sister, thank you for sharing that story.  I&#8217;d say I want to be like that woman when I grow up, but I haven&#8217;t the courage.  (Yet.)</p>
<p>Stunned<br />
and impressed</p>
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		<title>By: Protestant Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Protestant Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxious... INCREDIBLE story.  I am so moved and experiencing the GOOD kind of meltdown from all these stories.  God bless the many many organizations like YWAM, and the individual foot soldiers you have sprinkled about.

He is merciful and good!

...pk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxious&#8230; INCREDIBLE story.  I am so moved and experiencing the GOOD kind of meltdown from all these stories.  God bless the many many organizations like YWAM, and the individual foot soldiers you have sprinkled about.</p>
<p>He is merciful and good!</p>
<p>&#8230;pk</p>
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		<dc:creator>canary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxious,

What a beautiful story.  A woman working and suffering in obscurity for the sake of the Lord - and you got to buy her lunch!  How special!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxious,</p>
<p>What a beautiful story.  A woman working and suffering in obscurity for the sake of the Lord &#8211; and you got to buy her lunch!  How special!  <img src='http://sgmrefuge.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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