Comments on: Jesus on Leadership http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/ ...is a castaway haven, and a clarion call for reformation. Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:50:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: DB http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-947 DB Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:06:15 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-947 First among equals sounds strangely similar to some animals being more equal than others. And I am equally amazed at the preoccupation with authority and submission. I would likely be in a state of shock if a SG church ever hosted a sermon on mutual submission. First among equals sounds strangely similar to some animals being more equal than others.

And I am equally amazed at the preoccupation with authority and submission. I would likely be in a state of shock if a SG church ever hosted a sermon on mutual submission.

]]> By: John Immel http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-943 John Immel Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:28:31 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-943 Hey Jim, Hey Jim,

]]> By: canary http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-942 canary Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:27:37 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-942 Wow. scary... Wow. scary…

]]> By: Jim http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-939 Jim Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:26:58 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-939 Well said John. I'd only add that the "first among equals" considers his greatest act of service to be his 60 minute Sunday lecture. The current sgm sr p is not a part of the "body life" of his church. They are in no way available for every phone call-their secretary is. A sr p's primary concern is reading and sermon prep, and ensuring that his wishes are carried out, as HE is that man with the vision for the church, since he sits in the seat of Moses. Well said John.

I’d only add that the “first among equals” considers his greatest act of service to be his 60 minute Sunday lecture. The current sgm sr p is not a part of the “body life” of his church. They are in no way available for every phone call-their secretary is.

A sr p’s primary concern is reading and sermon prep, and ensuring that his wishes are carried out, as HE is that man with the vision for the church, since he sits in the seat of Moses.

]]> By: John Immel http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-938 John Immel Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:14:00 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-938 In my many mad musings I In my many mad musings I

]]> By: Jim http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-877 Jim Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:20:52 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-877 Dan, Welcome back :-) I'm pretty shocked that the words of Jesus, directed towards leaders, would not be taught to SGM leaders. CJ's blog has 7 posts on conferences, 2 posts on humility, 8 posts on leadership, 19 posts on pastoral ministry, and 7 posts on preaching. He clearly addresses pastors very often on his blog. The largest category is pastoral ministry, with 19 posts. Instead of sharing the words of Jesus with his audience of pastors, he quotes some guy telling them that they "stand in the very stead of God". Maybe they emphasize the words of Jesus to the founders of the church in the PC in such a way, that CJ, the king of "let me remind you", doesn't feel that this is an area that the pastors he "serves" need to be reminded of. In Dave Harvey's polity statement, he actually uses Philippians 2:3-7 as a proof text for SGM's "first among equals" concept of the senior pastor. This from a guy with a D.Min from Westminster. I'll be dissecting the entire booklet in an upcoming series of posts. It won't be pretty. Dan,

Welcome back :-)

I’m pretty shocked that the words of Jesus, directed towards leaders, would not be taught to SGM leaders.

CJ’s blog has 7 posts on conferences, 2 posts on humility, 8 posts on leadership, 19 posts on pastoral ministry, and 7 posts on preaching.

He clearly addresses pastors very often on his blog. The largest category is pastoral ministry, with 19 posts.

Instead of sharing the words of Jesus with his audience of pastors, he quotes some guy telling them that they “stand in the very stead of God”.

Maybe they emphasize the words of Jesus to the founders of the church in the PC in such a way, that CJ, the king of “let me remind you”, doesn’t feel that this is an area that the pastors he “serves” need to be reminded of.

In Dave Harvey’s polity statement, he actually uses Philippians 2:3-7 as a proof text for SGM’s “first among equals” concept of the senior pastor.

This from a guy with a D.Min from Westminster.

I’ll be dissecting the entire booklet in an upcoming series of posts.

It won’t be pretty.

]]> By: Dan http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-876 Dan Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:59:11 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-876 Canary; "I believe that, in SGM leadership minds, they think they <em>are </em>serving in their own capacity, through teaching, counseling, etc. Canary;

“I believe that, in SGM leadership minds, they think they are serving in their own capacity, through teaching, counseling, etc.

]]> By: Jim http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-871 Jim Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:42:42 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-871 AKS, I'm thinking it could probably happen again.... AKS,

I’m thinking it could probably happen again….

]]> By: A Kindred Spirit http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-866 A Kindred Spirit Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:56:58 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-866 Hehe...Nope, I like mine. Hehe…Nope, I like mine.

]]> By: Jim http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-865 Jim Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:40:36 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-865 THAT phrase inspired the addition of the widget. By the way, since all of the humorous quotes were taken <em>way</em> out of context, I'll delete anyone's quote upon request. Just shoot us a note. THAT phrase inspired the addition of the widget.

By the way, since all of the humorous quotes were taken way out of context, I’ll delete anyone’s quote upon request.

Just shoot us a note.

]]> By: canary http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-864 canary Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:34:37 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-864 By the way, Jim and Carole, I love the "Random Quotes". By the way, Jim and Carole,

I love the “Random Quotes”.

]]> By: canary http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-863 canary Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:31:32 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-863 KS, Okay, there's my laugh for the day! KS,

Okay, there’s my laugh for the day!

]]> By: A Kindred Spirit http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-862 A Kindred Spirit Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:18:12 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-862 Canary, has anyone ever told you that you have alot of wisdom? Canary, has anyone ever told you that you have alot of wisdom?

]]> By: canary http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-861 canary Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:24:20 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-861 I believe that, in SGM leadership minds, they think they <em>are </em>serving in their own capacity, through teaching, counseling, etc. I believe that, in SGM leadership minds, they think they are serving in their own capacity, through teaching, counseling, etc.

]]> By: musicman http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-860 musicman Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:20:17 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-860 So true (about Corporate America) and so sad that we too often settle for such a narrowed definition of leadership. So true (about Corporate America) and so sad that we too often settle for such a narrowed definition of leadership.

]]> By: Jim http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-859 Jim Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:11:07 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-859 musicman! Welcome! I was hoping you'd show up. You're correct about the leader's mindset. The church in general has borrowed far too much from corporate America. musicman! Welcome!

I was hoping you’d show up. You’re correct about the leader’s mindset.

The church in general has borrowed far too much from corporate America.

]]> By: musicman http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-857 musicman Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:15:16 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-857 Amen-anyone aspiring to be a leader should be made to recite these verses of Jesus verbatim! Amen-anyone aspiring to be a leader should be made to recite these verses of Jesus verbatim!

]]> By: Gracie http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-856 Gracie Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:02:15 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-856 <em>"For who is the greater, one who reclines at table or one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at table? But I am among you as the one who serves. “For who is the greater, one who reclines at table or one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at table? But I am among you as the one who serves.

]]> By: Carole http://sgmrefuge.com/2008/07/10/jesus-on-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-855 Carole Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:15:38 +0000 http://sgmrefuge.com/?p=51#comment-855 WOW!!!! WOW!!!!

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