Ok-let me try to wrap this up.
Working at SGC in 2003 and most of 2004 was great. I was able to tighten up a lot of admin stuff, created a real media ministry (they were still burning and selling cassettes when I arrived), re-launched their website, and was being paid to receive further training in Biblical Counseling, which is my passion. In 2005, I was “the counseling guy”, which was a dream-doing what I love during business hours and getting paid for it. It really was a dream job, except for the pay. I have other income sources, so that wasn’t a huge issue. In 05, Carole ran the women’s ministry, and I think that it was the most organized, fruitful season this ministry experienced. That was certainly the feedback she received.
On a personal level, I was becoming disillusioned with Tim and Chris’ lifestyle. Chris was earning a nice living reading and throwing together a worship list on Friday (he was the worship leader at the time-maybe he still is). Tim spent his time in sermon prep (one sermon a week at SGM), and in “governing” the church. I saw people moved around like pawn pieces in care groups-basically, everyone goes where they’re told to go.
When I received a church credit card (to buy blank cd’s, software, and things Tim didn’t have the time to order), we would pass around the statement each month, to account for the charges on the card. These guys were dropping around $200 a month each on lunch. Next to the statement entry they would make a note. Usually the last name of a person they took to lunch, or “study time”. I currently make 6 figures, and spend around $10 a week on lunch, because I brown bag it. I’m thinking the local restaurants love these guys.
Is this really what people want their tithe to pay for?
In the beginning of 05, Tim became too busy to meet with the care group leaders individually. We were broken up into groups of 3 plus Tim, for accountability meetings. I noticed in our first meeting, that Tim led, but didn’t participate. I asked him at that meeting if he was going to participate, and he said that he would participate with one group-2 guys in cgl training and the intern.
As the year went on, I continually asked him if he felt that was the best course of action, as I know these guys, and I can’t see them asking him any hard question. Time to spotlight-”Jim, you’re judging them”. He continued to lie, telling me that he was accountable to these guys. I finally asked one of them, who was in the care group that I led-does Tim ever share at your meetings? “No”. Have any of the guys ever asked him a hard question? “laughter…no”.
I confronted Tim with this, and was told that Jeff was his accountability partner. I then told Jeff what Tim said, and was told “really? That’s news to me”. Tim was of course confronted in this. I really, really fear for a guy who can lie so easily and so often.
Of course Tim was only accountable to Wayne (see last post) and Danny (then “apostle” of Florida). How someone can be accountable to someone who lives an hour away is beyond me. Of course Wayne and Danny never spoke to anyone at SGC except the intern, who married Danny’s daughter.
In August I had a major confrontation with Tim over the youth group, the treatment of my kids, and Chris’ (the intern) general cluelessness. Tim listened, asked for non specific forgiveness without repentance, and latched on to one sentence I said.
I said, “Tim, for the sake of my kids, I’ve even considered other SGM churches”. A week later, I was told that my position was being re-evaluated. There was a question of my loyalty.
Finally, in September 05, Tim and I had a meeting about my position. Good news-”you definitely need a title-consider this a promotion. I want you to become the director of biblical counseling ministries, our church’s first “cluster leader” (a care group leader who gives oversight to other care group leaders), and you’ll be in charge of all vital life classes and the journey class”. (I was already “the counseling guy”, and was already in charge of the journey class). Bad news-you’ll work a lot of hours, but we need to cut your pay in half, down to 20 hours a week, so we can hire a “jam up” secretary. I was a 75K a year guy before I started working for SGC, and because I have other income, I was working for 20K a year. Now with my “promotion” I was worth 10k. Side note-if you want to fire someone, be a man and do it. Feminine manipulation is effective, but not really what you want from your pastor.
A week later, I resigned from everything, as did Carole, and started a 75K a year job.
Fast forward one week, and I start getting calls from a care group leader, asking if everything was OK between Tim and I. I guess his first clue was Tim telling the cgl’s that “Jim has a problem with me”. I wouldn’t talk to the guy until Tim OK’d it, which he did. When the guy heard my story, and heard Tim’s story he asked if the 3 of us could get together.
At that meeting, he was 80-90% on my side of the fence. Tim was confronted with truth by his top two guys, and denied everything.
By January of 06, I escalated the matter to the guy who gives oversight to Tim-Wayne (see last post for context). Wayne, Tim, the cgl, and myself had a marathon meeting. With the cgl’s help, Tim was confronted with everything. He received some light correction from Wayne. We closed the place down where we met, and drove to another location. We sit down, and the first words out of Tim’s mouth were “will you forgive me?” I said “Tim, forgive you for what? I’ve never heard you ask for forgiveness in a specific manner, and I’ve never seen you actually repent” (see peacemaker posts for context). He said, “just forgive me.” At that point, the other cgl was silent, while I was blasted by Wayne for my lack of forgiveness. THAT was now the total focus of our meeting. I kept referring to peacemaking principles-especially ‘peace faking’, and was told that I was “arguing the facts”. I guess that’s bad.
I called the cgl the next day and said-were we in the twilight zone or what. He said that it was the weirdest thing he had ever seen.
So, moving up the ladder of SGM leadership led to more spotlighting, and a sweeping of Tim’s sin under the rug.
Tim walked away with a new boldness, and the next few months were weird. People acted differently around me (which of course was my fault, according to Tim), and I started asking Tim via email, cc’ing Wayne, if I was being shunned, which was my way of telling Tim that I knew what he was doing. Wayne told me that he couldn’t believe how self focused I was. He either totally missed my point or was once again spotlighting.
The rest of our story was told in the first post, but I’ll paste it here, adding how we left the church.
In our last 30 days at SGC, we began to hear from people who had been contacted by Tim or his wife. Here’s an example of the new tactic employed- “Jane, I know you had lunch with Carole yesterday, and she’s been talking to other people. Do you mind if I ask if Carole said anything bad about the church?” What Tim’s poor wife didn’t know is that the lady would get off of the phone and call Carole saying-”I just got the strangest phone call….”. I spoke to a guy I’ll call Rufus one day, who told me that Tim had called him and said “Rufus, I hate to do this, but I have to do some detective work. Jim’s been talking to other people, and I know that you spoke with him on Sunday, would you mind sharing what he said?” This is such an effective form of subtle slander-just plant the seed, and it will grow. I called Tim immediately after getting off of the phone with Rufus. Tim said, “I did not say that.” By Rufus’ choice, we aren’t on speaking terms today.
We resigned from the church in a public email, which was complementary of Tim. My stated reason was that I disagree with SGM polity. Carole and I did not slander Tim or the church, and avoided contact with all members for a solid year. We didn’t want them to receive “the call”.
What I left out of the above post was this. Tim knew exactly what my issues with SGC/SGM were. I had zero respect for the then apostle of Florida/now apostle of the Southern US, Danny. He knew that I had less respect for his son Jeremy. I had a problem with the Florida statewide youth meeting including a trip to a place called wet and wild. He knew that I knew that he had no accountability, and that Chris was too young to be an elder.
Here’s what he said after I confronted him with the “Rufus” conversation.
“Jim, you need to move on mentally or move on physically. Wet and Wild will happen every other year, Danny will always be a part of what happens here, and the next guy on staff might be younger than Chris”
Can you say hot button?
“Jim you should make a list of everything you disagree with”. I asked him if he thought that that was healthy. He said yes. He said “maybe God is pouring gas on your burning bush. Jim, it is a lack of faith to stay here just because you feel there’s no where else to go”.
It was all SGM manipuspeak. (I’m gonna trademark that).
Ok I’m dumb, but I’m not stupid. Ok, maybe both but not dense. Ok, maybe…. You know what I mean.
We resigned from the church a week later. It would have been great if that was the end of it, but the guy just couldn’t believe that I’d leave without taking people with me, and escalated the slander campaign. See the first post for the end of the story, since we “began at the end”.
If you think that I’ve listed “every little thing that I could find” here, please believe me-I’ve overlooked a truckload. This is an overview of the story of two friends. One friend had a weakness that SGM turned into a pattern. A good man with a heart for the church (the people, not the institution) into a dictator-with a very humble, lovable demeanor. These least loving thing that I could have done is to have watched it and remained silent.
For a year and a half my emotions were like the stock market. Mad, bitter, sad, loving, mad…. Then finally, I heard yet another story of the slander, and I shrugged my shoulders. I realized that I was free! It was a completely unemotional, ‘yeah, Tim does that’.
If I knew what made the bitterness leave, I’d spend my life savings to bottle it and give it away. There is no formula, and it can’t have a timeframe.
The last thing I want my post to cause is more bitterness. It’s a monster that burns from the inside.
I will say this-if you’re there, God won’t leave you there. I promise. Just rest in Him, pray for those who have offended you, and give it time.
Tomorrow it’s your turn to tell your story. FINALLY.
June 11th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Wow…what an amazing testimony to God’s love! As painful as it was, He was with you every step of the way, until one day you realized you were no longer on that emotional roller coaster of “mad, bitter, sad, loving, mad…”.
Jim, your story will minister to alot of Christians struggling with bitterness.
June 11th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
I’m reading this again for the second time and I still don’t know what to say. I can only echo AKS’s reply… “wow”…
June 12th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Carole and I have said ‘wow” a lot over the last few years.
Sometimes, that’s all one can say.
June 12th, 2008 at 10:54 am
I am still flabberghasted at the lack of integrity shown by your pastor and others. Integrity is one of the valued character qualities for leadership that was always preached about through the years. Accountability, as well. Can it be possible that these men haven’t a clue, that they are deceiving themselves? It amazes me…
June 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Canary,
you are right. Integrity ALWAYS was emphasized. ALWAYS, always, always. WHAT on earth happened??
June 13th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Mom and Dad,
It’s kinda weird to be communicating with you guys on your brand new blog, but i wanted to say that I’m proud of you for helping yourselves and others in this small way. Oh, and you’ve got my permission to expand on this:
“In August I had a major confrontation with Tim over the youth group, the treatment of my kids, and Chris
June 13th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Bobby!
I definitely did want to ask your permission, and to collaborate before including your part of the story. Collaboration would make sense, as we have differing perspectives and information.
Your story is completely relevant, and is my deepest regret as I look back on the years when I was drunk on SGM kool aid.
So, let’s get together on this.
Thank you for posting!
I love you!
-dad
June 13th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Bobby!!!
Thank you for your “proudness” of us! I’m certain it’s not NEARLY as much as how proud we are of you!!
You know Dad nor I would ever share without your okay, so thanks for your permission to share your story here (unless you want to share it yourself, in your own words? Awwww… c’mon!
) And you are 100% right… your story is just as relevant as our over-all family’s and the many others here.
I love you, Buddy… and I’m very, very proud of you for allowing your story to be posted here. You are a strong young man and we are OH! so proud of the man you’ve become, in spite of SGM and our subjecting you and your sisters to it. I’m so thankful you are the forgiving sort!
I can’t wait to see you on Sunday… the shrimp awaits and Dad is excited… probably about the shrimp almost as much as seeing you and the girls! (Just kidding…)
I love you!
Mom (AKA Carole… AKA I Survived SGM)
June 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Bobby’s our son, everyone.
He’s our youngest-23, brilliant, successful by anyone’s definition.
Far too sharp to fit into the SGM mold, while remaining a non-rebellious, faithful son.
At age 21, he resigned from SGC Titusville on his own, after discussing the matter with us. At 21, he certainly did not need his father’s permission, but this is an example of his character.
We obviously could not be more proud of this young man, and thank God every day that he didn’t swallow the kool aid.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
danger this blog is full of gosip and it is the Jim and Carole’s sinful way to get back at SGM. Why do they have to put this info out in the public? to make themselfs look good
June 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
danger this blog is full of gosip and it is the Jim and Carole’s sinful way to get back at SGM. Why do they have to put this info out in the public? to make themselfs
June 13th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Thank you your thoughtful, articulate post. Not an English major, I guess.
The answer to your question “why” has already been stated.
Nothing about this blog will make us look good to our friends in SGM.
Please feel free to define gossip for me, and thank you for judging our motives as sinful. Very helpful and shows great insight.
Oh yes, thank you for posting our last names. Please repost your warnings, without the last name, for as soon as google picks your posts up, I’ll have to delete them. (never mind-I took it out for you)
If you repost without the last name, your thoughtful, articulate, grace-filled posts will remain forever.
Please repost, and leave out the last name. (moot point-I fixed it)
Believe it or not, you are welcome here.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Why thank you kind brother in Christ.
Jesus <3 you
June 13th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
To Danger,
I have been a silent reader up until I read YOUR post. It is wrong for you to barge in and make accusations in a situation you simply don’t seem to understand. Have you read ANY of the blog? Believe it or not, there are ALOT of people out there who agree with Jim and Carole and are being encouragaged by fellowship on this site. Obviously all of them have been hurt in some way by SGM.
I am one of them.
You are self-righteous, and I don’t appreciate your inarticulate, ill-thought out, immature response.
You might consider praying and researching before opening your mouth.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Summer,
Welcome!
Thank you for your post… I’m sorry your first post here had to be in response to this nonsense.
We knew it would happen sooner or later… :sigh: But it’s okay… truth is truth and needs to be spoken.
I hope you are finding comfort in the (other) posts here! If I can help you in any way, and you don’t feel comfortable posting publicly here, my email address is SGMRefugeATgmailDOTcom.
May God bless you!
Carole
June 13th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Carole,
Thank you so much! I have actually emailed you a couple times already =)… I just changed email addresses.
I’ve been keeping tabs of all the conversations at spiritualtyranny.com and sgmsurvivors.com as well. My thoughts are swirling as I pray about what I should share. There are alot of bad memories I’d rather not stir up, but to help others, it’s worth the discomfort.
Sometimes I wish I could rip the blinders off their eyes myself!
June 13th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Danger’s parents are probably having a date night.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Ahhh… it’s you, my friend!
I know how you feel… and I know God is moving and working in you!! He will guide you into His Truth and bring you into the freedom that He has for you.
As far as sharing goes, take your time! We are gonna be here for a while!
I continue to pray for you, dear Summer! I know how it feels to seemingly have the world spinning out of control and you don’t even know which way is up. But God will bring you through it, with His great love, mercy and grace. And there are many friends who are here for you, to hopefully help you make sense of it all!
Take care, Friend!
Carole
June 13th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Summer,
LOLOLOL!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Danger/!?!/what,
I
June 14th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Jim
I was always shocked at how widely used the “gossip” was when I was at CLC/PDI. Even after leaving for a while I was shocked how programmed so many people are at SG to call pointing out problems and questioning things “gossip.”
Why are so many people in SG so blind to how this belief sets themselves up to be lead astray like dumb sheep by wolves in sheeps clothing.
This is sad but true.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:25 am
Steve,
What odd is the emphasis, and the lack of a clear definition.
Do you know that in the ESV (SGM version of choice) the word ‘gossip” is used a total of 4 times in the entire Bible?
June 15th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
REALLY? Only used 4 times? Interesting.
Well, let me share my own little ESV story with you since you brought it up as the “version of choice” - in my care group, the leader who was an elder and pastor as well switched to ESV with a big introduction of how it was a wonderful version. Then, the senior pastor switched without ANY explanation except that He “needed a new Bible the old one was falling apart”. So at care group, one woman buys the ESV (sucking up??) and when the leader realizes it, she becomes the official reader for the entire meeting every week. It was so obvious and infuriated me! It was clear he was showing preference for the ESV over all over translations.
When I made a comment about it he just laughed, but each week, it was “so and so, would you read for us?” and never asked anyone else. Well what would YOU do in this situation? Go out and buy an ESV so you aren’t feeling left out, that’s what! So next thing you know, EVERYONE has an ESV Bible! A bunch of lemmings…
I finally broken down and did some research into the version, refusing to buy it (actually the Lord prevented me from buying one to prove HIS point) and then felt “released” by the Lord to purchase one. I was so excited to get a word from God that was personal, since I had not had one in some time, that I went to the home group leader and told him about it. How I had been rebellious against the translation, how I felt I didn’t want ot just follow the crowd and do whatever others did, and that I took the time to research the version.
Do you know what he told me? “Why would you do that? If the ESV is good enough for Piper, Mohler and Sproul, it’s good enough for me!” I said, “Well, I didn’t want to get the ESV simply because others did.” He responded with “These guys are solid in their faith, and I trust their judgment, so if they use it I am free to, and you are too.”
I was floored. This was some months back. I couldn’t believe he crushed my spirit the way he did, well, actually he quenched the Holy Spirit - as I specifically told him I was led of the Lord NOT to buy one out of fear of not fitting in. But it just goes to show you, leadership is following the crowd and not thinking for themselves. No personal convictions anymore.
And for the record, I still don’t use the ESV. I use another translation. Even though I am free to use it, it reminds me too much of SGM
June 15th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
I’ve always used the version (on Sunday mornings) that the church I was attending used-first church-KJV (read the NASB at home), Next church-NKJV, next church-NIV, next church-NIV/ESV.
I still like the ESV, as I find it easy to read, and like the idea of “word for word” translation in modern English. NIV is sort of “phrase for phrase”, and I feel it left the translators too much wiggle room.
The thing is, with the exception of the KJV (archaic language), the popular versions don’t vary much. Plus, we always have our study tools to help us understand a passage.
I haven’t read the TNIV, and I think the ESV was created as a proactive alternative to changes they saw coming in the TNIV.
So… how many times is the word “gossip” used in your version?
Please pipe in everyone-I’m the curious sort.
June 15th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Summer said:
June 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Well said, John-especially the Carole quote
One thing we do not want to encourage, and that would be stirring up feelings that one is not ready to deal with.
Carole and I refer to this place as the refuge. There is a time to speak, and a time to be still and know that He is God.
We want no one to mistake an opportunity to share for a responsibility to share.
Reading the stories of others hurt by their SGM experience brought great healing to Carole and I.
I am not alone, and I am not crazy.
Perhaps that knowledge will be enough.
There are a lot of people reading what is said here, with relatively few posters.
We are more than fine with that-we are elated.
To quote John Spur… err…Immel. Peace
June 16th, 2008 at 8:38 am
I am really reeling from this website!
June 16th, 2008 at 9:15 am
MiMi!
Welcome!
You cannot believe how refreshing it is to read your post! It is encouraging to hear of an SGM church like the one you describe. I did not believe, when we were a part of our SGM church, nor do I believe now, that everything SGM believes is bad. However, the teachings that they take to an extreme level, which, in our experience has been most, then become unbiblical and no longer resemble the teachings of the Word of God.
I
June 16th, 2008 at 9:38 am
MiMi,
I don’t know your sr pastor personally, but I know who he is, and I’m very fond of the man who planted your church.
The brush is very broad, but I can’t say that’s it’s all inclusive. That fact that your sr pastor isn’t threatened by a strong man (your hubby) says a lot about his character. Controllers are insecure and lack faith. Your sr pastor may very well be an exception. Your church’s outward focus is certainly an exception to SGM biz as usual.
Thank you for your prayers and support!
Thank you so much for posting!
June 16th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Please do not think I am diminishing anyones pain in all this, WE KNOW what you are going through, as we experienced it 20 years ago in another demonination.
June 16th, 2008 at 10:32 am
MiMi,
I don’t think you are trying to diminish anyone’s pain at all!
June 17th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Hi everyone!
Boy, I’ve been too busy to be with you all the past few days, and I’ve missed you!
June 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
maybe that is one of the biggest problems within SGM - the age (either physical or spiritual) of those sucked in the most. I know I was young in the Lord when I got involved, ignorant of so many things (still am actually!) but they do seem to focus on the younger generation, raise up young leaders and pastors, etc. Where are all the seasoned saints out there? I guess not in SGM churches because they would smell the rat in a second. Maybe most of the older people are there simply because they started there as well. And never left. I don’t know - any thoughts? Just think the push for the 20-35 range is odd, is that just a marketing tool? What would be the reason other than to get em’ young to corrupt them sooner? I know that sounds harsh, but you know what I mean..
July 16th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Yep, you were definetly there. I saw the lunches too. I also saw the accountable to only the other leadership people thing. I also saw the withdrawal from fellowhip with anyone but leadership. Caregroups are reasigned constantly and so are people. They have no real choices in the matter. Sad story.
Sounds like you confronted this stuff from within but you are no longer in aposition to do this and outside after a year they will think it is back stabbing or griping instead of correction. You and I know better but they will fall for it.
As far as the gossip thing, I sympathize with your position. I have seen the question anything at SGM and gossiping thing too. It is a fine line between getting help, correction, helping someone else, and gossiping. Your guess is as good as mine as to where that line begins. I guess in our eyes from experience it begins when other people are drawn into things that are no concern to them and will not benefit them. Things that being told will help no one and only damage the body of Christ. The SGM Survivors site is a a travesty. I feel bad for those burned. Nothing good can come from it. I have seen rampant sin in Fundamental Baptist Churches, Charismatic Churches, Methoidst Churches, and such. I have seen it worse elsewhere. SGM does not have the corner on the market. Itis so cathartic to share this stuff but the devil is just eating it up. If an unsaved person happens upon those sights they might find reason to never go to church. I am so sorry for all this. You seem like wonderful people. Look at all you have done for the body of Christ. There is surely a crown in heaven(reward) waiting. What will it serve to continue in this? I hurt over this crap too. As I can add nothing that would be good I will end my comments here and pray for you. Sadly, I know some of how you feel. Yes, the youth in leadership is a travesty as well. It is also against biblical teaching. Anyway, I pray this will not be a gossip fest. You will see people will try to make it that. God bless you. Please add us to your prayers also.
I feel contributing anymore would just stir up gossip. I have no stones to throw. I struggle with my own sinfulness daily. You remain in our prayers.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Annie,
You, of course, have your own opinions about things…
July 16th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Carole please forgive me if I have offended you… I am not meaning to… I guess my reasons behind commetning at all are that I was afraid for you all… I went through some of this crap too… actually this is pulling up a lot of memories … ones I don’t want to remember…. I am sure the creators of the other site had the best of intentions….people sometimes get ahold of something and instead of helping and healing they just like to gossip. I am sure you would admit some of that is on the other site…. anyway for give me I pray the best for you all…. I am sorry for your loss…. I will still pray for a miracle….
Annie
God bless you all…
July 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Also, I wanted to let you know this has all made my husband and I think a lot… not sure where that will lead but we have tried so long to not think about this stuff…. maybe the thinking will lead to something good….
Annie
I wonder why we ever followed them in the first place … I feel like and idiot….
July 16th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Hi Annie!
No offense taken at all!
I’m sorry if I came across that way, it certainly wasn’t my intent at all!
I know what you mean… I’ve felt pretty stupid at times, realizing areas I was sucked into and wondering how I ever got there… :sigh:
But God is so kind to draw us unto Himself and teach us and guide us into His Truth… how amazing is that!?!?!
July 16th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Carole,
I have to agree with you that the Survivor’s site completed the healing I needed.
July 16th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Canary,
I had the same experience…
July 17th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I’m glad you found us over at Survivors, Carole! I’m glad for the chance to get to know you and Jim!
July 17th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Carole,
Big hugs!
July 17th, 2008 at 6:55 am
I’m glad I’m getting to know you, too, Ellie…
July 17th, 2008 at 11:43 am
I think when Annie sticks around a bit and discoveres that 1) We aren’t rebellous and gossipmongers and 2) She hasn’t been struck down by lightening, she will be able to come to her own conclusions.
Anyway, I enjoy reading her (your if Annie is reading this,) perspectives.
July 30th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Jim -
I just got done reading through your story (in this & the other posts).
July 30th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Tim,
my heart skipped a beat when I saw your name listed under “Recent Comments” till I saw “(not the one mentioned above)”!
July 30th, 2008 at 11:57 am
July 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Thanks Tim!
August 12th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Jim…
This story is incredible, and I feel like someone kicked me in the stomach (can’t imagine what you guys went through). My prayers are with you.
…pk
August 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Thanks PK.
Fully recovered, no broken bones. I needed to get this “out there”, but it’s not something we spend time thinking about-life is much too good!
Just holding on to hope for reconciliation at this point.
Whether that ever happens or not is between Tim and God.
I do fear for the guy, should he stay on his current path.